Confidential Inside Report of Matters

Another TROLL bites the dust !!!!!!!!!

2011-12-04T19:48:00.001-08:00

Hello nice people,

I try to take the high road with non-confrontational threads topics and these thread trolls hyjack them OFF TOPIC (punctuation, border security, politics, and grammar trivia) for their own selfish personal smears of me (the poster) and trolls hyjack a intellectual discussion with off issue personal lying attacks and lying smears. They do that because its easier to childishly smear. They look small doing that. They can NOT control themselves or their thinking. AND, what have they got to compare with their achievements? anonymous posters share nothing or stay silence. Typical. When I point out their stalking trollish bad behavior here; they stalk my comments, they post and smear with obvious trollish H A T E. What empty personalities. These troll posters are making a personal attack on my opinions and me in an abusive manner. I have been polite. I have tried to be gracious and they still want to pick a fight, as practiced trolls do. I' not interested in that. It's boring. These trollish post H A T E R S have a combative arguement attitude and a large chip on their shoulders. Normally I would not be so blunt but they have to be told this since trolls just don't understand. SO-- Silly reveiling liars like yourself (many of Hidden Frontier crew & cast & fans) can't keep the true record factual straight or their lies consistant, because you are shown to have been lying most of the time to as many listeners as will be so naive to accept your malicious personal attack 'spin' posted here. The difference is that I have the truthful evidence and openly show it to all. And I will repeat it to make the same factual points that you can't stand. Get use to the truth. I speak of issues, childishly you speak of me. Hidden Frontier/Star Trek hive mind...drone...follower....sheep ??? That says volumnes about your lack of credibility or Roddennberry allowance of any diversity thoughts in these matters. Your personal attack nonsense adds nothing to your dwindling micro credibility. Your posts are only attacking 'recycled' sentences, grammar and opposing thoughts against the people that don't see things drone 'lock-step' your foolish ways. Your attack posting comments show no thoughtfulness, class, uniqueness, or new ideas. Your lack of independant thinking on these issues is just disappointing and only embarrasses other Star Trek fans sorta like Rob Caves numerous sham video projects. And, your posts are only a kiddie rehash much like the elementary schoolyard taunt by the kiddies, "I know you are, but what am I?" Apparently it obviously works for you, your ego and your side of these matter. That's sad. LOL There is no need to keep digging up crap off the bottom of a disgarded tv dinner in some unforgotten trailer park of your imagination. When you start mentioning stuff like this it actually fuels and makes you appear as wacko and nuts and paraniod to readers. There is absolutely not a single person on earth with an intelligence level above a gibbon that buys your nonsense. If you are posting it to try and denegrade this imdb forum and its members by association, it won't work.

ATTN: There are billions of anonymous people on the planet. YOU have clearly confused thinking. YOU ignorantly think that I care about your trollish thoughts or want to speak to an anonymous stalker troll on the Internet. Cause I don't. Take a hint, kid. Bye.

PS... Any resorting to personal attacks and childish name calling or reputation smears only shows readers your discussion point of view has no substance or worth and only embarrasses the name caller.

PPS...Trolling- Trolling is an internet term that means you're not posting to actually start or participate in a good non-personal discussion, but simply to attempt anger another member or group of members.

Three things trolls exhibit:

*(1) They pick and choose the discussions they want to respond to just to hear themselves speak;

*(2) They bring up unrelated OFF topic topics or trivial arguments to dilute the discussions just to have something to post;

*(3) They clam up suddenly when they're confronted with the truthful opposing facts, or use tact #1 or #2.

Jim Gilchrist's response to the National Journal article

2011-12-01T11:24:00.000-08:00

Jim Gilchrist's response to the National Journal article at LINK URL: http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2011/11/dogwhistling-on-immigration-th.php

Dear Readers,

Tom Tancredo's favoring of U.S. immigration law enforcement does not make him a "hater." To refer to him as such implies that anyone who supports law enforcement is a "hater." Surely we are not a nation of "haters," are we? Haters of what? A civilized society governed by the rules of law?

Texas Governor Rick Perry approved in-state tuition for children of illegal aliens 10 years ago, but that was at a time when 97% of the Texas state legislators voted for that benefit program. Governor Perry simply gave the legislators (and the people of Texas) apparently what they wanted at the time. That was before the rampant illegal alien dilemma was brought to the attention of the public and became a serious issue with taxpayers and voters.

Certainly Perry and Romney are dignified gentlemen with sincere aspirations for the White House. But, on the issue of illegal immigration lawlessness, Governor Perry seems to have the upper hand.

After all, Perry has received the endorsement of one of the nation's most respected lawmen, border-state Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona. That is no light-weight endorsement.

Perry, as a border-state governor, seems well aware of the adverse economic and national security consequences to a nation whose federal government chooses to pander to the uncounted millions of illegal aliens occupying U.S. territory rather than represent its hundreds of millions of U.S. citizens.

Also, in the race for president, Gov. Perry seems to be the catalyst for debate about the federal government's decades-long reckless disregard for immigration laws.

Without Perry in the race, there would be little or no mention of illegal immigration in the debates, except for the usual weak-kneed candidates whose delusional solution to the problem is a blanket amnesty.

Of course, that is fine, if the candidate just wants to encourage more of the same. In that case, there is really no need for an election because it would make no difference who is newly elected to, or who remains in, the White House.

Sincerely Yours,
Jim Gilchrist,

President, The Minuteman Project -a multiethnic immigration law enforcement advocacy group-

Jim Gilchrist, BAJ, BSBA, MBA, CPA(retired) - Founder and President, Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Project, Inc. [ dba The Minuteman Project ]

- A multi-ethnic immigration law enforcement advocacy group.
- Operating within the law to support enforcement of the law.
- The power of change through the power of peace.
- The first casualty of propaganda is the truth.

MAILING ADDRESS:

MINUTEMAN PROJECT, INC.
JIM GILCHRIST, PRESIDENT
P.O. BOX 3944
LAGUNA HILLS, CA. 92654-3944

Occupy Wall Street or ANYTHING else are FRAUDS

2011-11-21T14:15:00.000-08:00

I found photos proving they're "Nutz". The lamestream media dare NOT broadcast...video LINK:
http://youtu.be/NM_6_R0Zkb0

Obama clueless when Confronted by Tea Party members in Iowa

2011-08-16T07:04:00.000-07:00

President Obama looks nonpresidential in this simple question put to him by conservative Tea Party members in Iowa. The President is in denial. But not this President.....

Please support H.R. 2164, the Legal Workforce Act

2011-08-09T07:06:00.000-07:00

LINK:
http://www.numbersusa.com/dfax?series=08AUG11hl

Fax & Urge your U.S. Representative to Support National E-Verify Legislation

Dear [This fax will go to Your U.S. Representative]

Please support H.R. 2164, the Legal Workforce Act, so that jobless Americans and legal immigrants can fill those jobs currently held by illegal workers.

This legislation, in addition to requiring employers to run new hires through the E-Verify system, would gently move illegal aliens out of U.S. jobs. Over time, the 7 million illegal aliens in non-agricultural jobs would be replaced by unemployed Americans and legal immigrants. While not solving America's unemployment problem, H.R. 2164 would certainly lessen its severity.

This legislation is able to coax out these illegal workers by requiring the Social Security Administration to send out "no match" letters to employers if the name and Social Security number of a current employee do not match. The employer is required to run "no match" employees through the E-Verify system to determine if they are eligible to work in the United States. Clearly, this is an easy and effective way of putting unemployed Americans and legal immigrants in jobs currently held by illegal aliens.

Please support H.R. 2164, the Legal Workforce Act, and help Americans get back to work and help employers stay on the right side of the law.

Sincerely, [Your name will appear here]

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Please support H.R. 2164, the Legal Workforce Act, so that jobless Americans and legal immigrants can fill those jobs currently held by illegal workers.
"No" to Immigrant Bashing

Message from Roy Beck, Executive Director:
The chief difficulties that America faces because of current immigration are not triggered by who the immigrants are but by how many they are.

The task before the nation in setting a fair level of immigration is not about race or some vision of a homogeneous white America; it is about protecting and enhancing the United States' unique experiment in democracy for all Americans, including recent immigrants, regardless of their particular ethnicity.
-- Roy Beck, "The Case Against Immigration"

Nothing about this website should be construed as advocating hostile actions or feelings toward immigrant Americans; illegal aliens deserve humane treatment even as they are detected, detained and deported. Unfortunately, to write about problems of immigration is to risk seeming to attack immigrants themselves. Even worse is the risk of inadvertently encouraging somebody else to show hostility toward the foreign-born as a group.

I encounter too many immigrants and children of immigrants in daily affairs where I live in northern Virginia to take those risks lightly. From five continents, members of immigrant families have passed through my home, especially in the persons of friends of my sons. They are among the physical therapy patients of my wife; they are participants in youth activities which I lead; they are friends at my church, which has received national recognition for creating local service to new immigrants; they are neighbors; they are business clerks and owners where I trade.

Thus, as is the case for millions of other Americans, I have a very personal stake in not wanting to provoke hostility or discrimination toward the foreign-born who already are living among us.

But our kindly feelings toward immigrants must no longer stifle public discussion about the effects of immigration numbers.

To talk about changing immigration numbers is to say nothing against the individual immigrants in this country. Rather, it is about deciding how many foreign citizens living in their own countries right now should be allowed to immigrate in the future.

None of this is to suggest that no immigrants are scoundrels or contribute to problems of immigration because of their bad personal behavior. It is not unfair, nor does it constitute immigrant bashing, to criticize the behavior of specific immigrants who violate our laws or otherwise behave in a manner unworthy of guests who have been invited into this country.

It IS immigrant bashing, however, to ascribe those bad characteristics to whole groups of people based on their ethnicity or foreign-born status. All of us should be careful of the language we use so as not to inadvertently appear to be making such negative generalizations.

Not only is it ethically wrong to engage in such stereotyping, it is tactically short-sighted. There is much to suggest that most immigrants already among us would support reductions in immigration numbers. The reasons are not surprising. Virtually any reduction designed to help native-born Americans would be even more beneficial to foreign-born Americans. That is why so many immigrants are supporters of NumbersUSA.com.

Perhaps the greatest "immigrant bashers" are those Members of Congress who refuse to look at the abysmal conditions of so many immigrant Americans and who every year insist on adding more than a million more immigrants into their occupations, schools and communities.

LINK:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/about-us/no-immigrant-bashing/no-immigrant-bashing.html

My Memorial Day events.

2011-05-31T08:48:00.000-07:00

A FULL day like Veteran's Day. Spent my day remembering and visiting the three 'passed-on' veteran's graves of my family members (WW1 artillery, WW1 ambulance service, WW2 US Army European Theater disabled wheelchair vet); and attending Memorial Day spiritual services in a local National Veteran's cemetery. While there thanked and talked to as many active and past military service members, ROTC, and Scouts that was at those events for their 'service' to us. Also thankful for a 'nephew' (who just got back from US Army armored convoy protective service in Iraq) who just got home to California.

MORE citizens should be mindful of voluntary service memebers giving their time, blood, and lives for us all!

Killer of Jamiel Shaw STILL FREE ????!!!

2011-05-31T08:26:00.000-07:00

From Doug McIntyre:
While the mayor and City Council may have done nothing, Pedro Espinoza has been very busy.

Since killing Jamiel Shaw II authorities say he's added five new felonies to his resume, including slashing a handcuffed man in the face with a razor, assaulting a sheriff's deputy, instigating a riot - all this while awaiting trial!

How much grief, how many ruined lives, how many expenses has this rat inflicted on the good people of Los Angeles?

Jan Perry and Bernard Parks don't care. There will be other Pedro Espinozas because of them.

Perry, who has delusions of being mayor, panders for Hispanic votes by opposing the "Secure Communities" law that requires cities and counties to turn over fingerprint data of arrestees so Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) can verify a suspect's immigration status.

She also cynically assumes Hispanic voters support illegal immigration and the harboring of criminal aliens, which is nonsense and a pernicious stereotype.

Bernard Parks, the former LAPD chief, also opposes "Secure Communities" and sees it as a threat to Special Order 40, the disastrous policy that encourages and enables the Pedro Espinozas of the world to come here.

While L.A. County Sheriff Lee Baca calls "Secure Communities" an important tool to keep our streets safe, Parks said, "From what I can read of the program, a high percentage of those who are being deported have not necessarily committed the most serious crimes."

In Bernie's World, does someone have to rape and kill before we can deport them?

Jan Perry, Bernard Parks, Herb Wesson and nearly the entire leadership of Los Angeles not only don't care about the outrage perpetrated on the Shaw family - they are the outrage.

Why am I the one who can't sleep at night?

Conservative CA activist Chelene Nightingale ordered To Court Again For Debtors Exam

2011-05-22T08:11:00.000-07:00

Some privileged people/politicians don't have to pay their personal debts.....
Conservative CA activist Chelene Nightingale ordered To Court Again For Debtors Exam

Chelene Nightingale, former manager of SOS, has been ordered to appear in court again to divulge her finances to a judgement creditor over a personal loan she recieved a few weeks before filing for bankruptcy. Ms Nightingale solicited the loan from a former supporter of hers within the Save Our State membership, allegedly after describing the need to pay for basic family needs. The lender became concerned after the debt went unserviced for nearly two years, and filed suit after Ms Nightingale began appearing in many public events all over the state during a failed attempt to run for governor. The lender, a previous supporter of Ms Nightingale's activism in the anti-illegal immigration field, has apparently once again lost patience with her willingness to address the debt after recently seeing her jet to a conference in Harrisburg, and make make appearances within the state at various other events.
See The Kern County superior court website for more information.

It is very hypocritical of Chelene to ask for the feds for protection from her state personal debts while also relentlessly parroting that she would stand up to the feds on the water issue, immigration and a few others.

Maybe Nightengale's found a way to make money to pay off her personal debts with campaigne or supporters funds. She's organizing a Nullification Now Tour on the internet.

Tickets to hear Nightengale her highness speak are only $75.00 for front row. $10.00 for steerage class.

Bye Bye, Bin Laden.....

2011-05-02T10:24:00.000-07:00

See YA, Bin Laden...911 victim ==
Steven G. Genovese- Age: 37- Place of Residence: Basking Ridge, NJ- Location on 9/11: One WTC-
Occupation: Cantor Fitzgerald, Partner-

911 victims site LINK:
http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memorial_biography.php?idbio=1117014339

**BOYCOTT Middle East gas in your neighborhood !

2011-04-29T09:19:00.000-07:00

WHERE DO YOU BUY GASOLINE???

You might want to pass this on....

WHERE TO BUY AMERICAN GASOLINE.. THIS IS VERY

IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON.

Gas rationing in the 70's worked even though we

grumbled about it. It might even have been good for

us!

Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting

American products? In addition, they are gouging us

on oil prices. Shouldn't we return the favor? Can't

we take control of our own destiny and let these

giant oil importers know who REALLY generates their

profits, their livings? How about leaving American

Dollars in America and reduce the import/export

deficit? An appealing remedy might be to boycott

their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can

avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi

Arabia . Just purchase gas from companies that

don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is

more frustrating than the feeling that every time I

fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people who

I get the impression want me, my family and my

friends dead.

**BOYCOTT Middle East gas in your neighborhood !

The following gas companies import Middle Eastern

oil:

Shell....................... 205,742,000 barrels

Chevron/Texaco.............. 144,332,000 barrels

Exxon /Mobil................ 130,082,000 barrels

Marathon/Speedway........... 117,740,000 barrels

Amoco....................... 62,231,000 barrels

And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela who's

Dictator Hugo Chavez hates America and openly avows

our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime

nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)

The U.S. Currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of

crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at

$100 per barrel, that's over $550 million PER DAY

($200 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many

of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!! It

won't stop here - oil prices could go to $200 a

barrel or higher if we keep buying their product.

Here are some large companies that do not import

Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco........................ 0 barrels

Conoco........................ 0 barrels

Sinclair...................... 0 barrels

BP/Phillips................... 0 barrels

Hess.......................... 0 barrels

ARC0.......................... 0 barrels

Maverick...................... 0 barrels

Flying J...................... 0 barrels

Valero........................ 0 barrels

Murphy Oil USA**............. 0 barrels

**Sold at Wal-Mart, this gas is from South Arkansas

and is fully USA owned and produced. *Not only that

but they give scholarships to all children in their

town who finish high school and are legal US

citizens.

All of this information is available from the US.

Department of Energy and each company is required

to state where they get their oil and how much they

are importing.
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Hmmmm, just looking at the link for crude oil and

ignoring all the other various petrochemical

products, I found the following country/company

combos:

China: Chevron

Iraq: Atlantic Trading
BP
ExxonMobile
Flint Hills
Motivia
Paulsboro
Total

Kuwait: Chevron
ExxonMobile
Marathon
Valero

Libya Citgo

Oman: BP

Saudi Arabia:
BP
Chevron
ExxonMobile
Lion
Marathon
Motivia
Paulsboro
Tesoro
Valero

Venezuela
Chalmette
Chevron
Citgo

U.S. calls blitz on alleged pirated-sports sites

2011-02-05T15:48:00.000-08:00

LINK:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20030429-261.html

U.S. calls blitz on alleged pirated-sports sites

With the Super Bowl less than a week away, U.S. law enforcement officials have seized the domain names of 10 sites accused of illegally streaming live sports events.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in New York said today that it worked with Immigration and Customs Enforcement to shut down such sites as Firstrow.net, HQ-Streams.com, Rojadirecta.com, HQ-Streams.net, Ilemi.com, and Iilemii.com. The seizures were made Tuesday.

The Department of Justice and ICE said that streaming live events without authorization is harmful to sports leagues and broadcasters.

"The illegal streaming of professional sporting events over the Internet deals a financial body blow to the leagues and broadcasters, who are forced to pass their losses off to fans by raising prices for tickets and pay-per-view events," said Preet Bharara, U.S. Attorney in Manhattan.

The Obama administration has promised to crack down on copyright infringement and counterfeiting, and domain-name seizures appear to be the preferred method.

In June, the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan and ICE teamed up and seized at least seven domain names belonging to sites that allegedly distributed pirated movies. In November, U.S. law enforcement grabbed 80 more domain names belonging to sites accused of using the Web to distribute a wide range of counterfeit goods and copyrighted materials.

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20030429-261.html#ixzz1D8CagEJi

Political Correctness police working overtime this week..

2010-10-21T20:58:00.000-07:00

This seems the shameful Political Correctness police/radical progressives have been looking for unethical enforcement 'work' this week.

It all started with O'Reilly on ABC's Walter's 'The View'. Bill got into a verbal confrontation of facts with the unapologetic progressive PC police matrons, jokersters Joy Behar and Whoopie Goldberg. Their Progressive female 'noses' were tweaked due to Bill being on their show to discuss his best selling book and other hot topic political matters. Bill tried to help to educate these two denial 'ladies' about the 9-11 tragedy and issue of attempting to have a Muslim mosque built at a 9-11 impact sight. Things got out-of-hand by Behar starting the fireworks by rudely confronting their guest, Bill. Bill aswered back in the same 'tone' and Behar clear didin't like that & was miffed. (Gonna dish it out, you better be able to take it, babe!) Whoopie ran to support her fellow conspirator and escalted the arguement with her own voiced expletive (deleted.) Bill clearly won the argument with New Yorkers and against that of the female progessive's argument. But the two childish 'hosts' walked out like pouting children. Bill continued to say, 'You mean Muslims didn't do 9-11??!!"

Later, Bill was asked to apologise so that the errant 'girls' would come back on stage. His apology was given as an 'IF' proposition, much like the classic remembered apology that President Bill Clinton gave all those years ago on his shameful sexual presidential troubles in the Oval office. The apology worked and (unfortunately) these two clownish clueless comedians came back on the stage.

Bill was brusk, but dead on with his thoughts. Some progressive TV people still live in 'Lala land' and you just can't- after 3000 people were murdered in the most horrible way on 9-11 by Muslim terrorists(No one is allowed to use that T 'word' by Presidential order, how silly is that?). In fact,that was the shameful Lala Land mental mindset that provided the set-up for the second Twin Tower's 9-11 bombing in the first place, (Anyone, remember the FIRST World Trade Center bombing ??? I do.)

NEXT....

On Bill O'Rielly show 'The Factor', another shameful Political Correctness police/ radical progressives victim was taken, National Public Radio's . I don't often agree with National Public Radio's commentator, Juan Williams, but he has a right to express himself without being targeted for being fired for expressing his opinions. That is what has now happened to Juan Williams. Mr Willams was expressing himself on Bill's 'The View' incident. He said how he travels by plane and when he sees some airline passengers wearing Muslim cultural clothing, he is slighty worried about the safety of himself and the flight. It was an honest statement, but nothing contraversial. BUT, for stating this Juan Williams was fired from position at National Public Radio after over 10 years of work. I guess he's just another victim of the Presidentail Obama Political Correctness police. (BTW: was a big President Obama supporter, maybe that will change.)

It should be also noted that world government billionaire, progressive George Sorros has recently given several millions to National Public Radio and it's new 'investigative' news division to counteract the 10 year leadership by Fox News on TV. This new public obvious money donation Sorros action by the normally shadowy secretive money-laundering public chairty donations, might have been a reaction to Glenn Beck's calling out Sorros to appear on Beck's TV show for a man-to-man one hour discussion of politics today.

It seems that Sorros "GET HIM!"(Beck) mentality has caused another citizen Juan Williams to a victim of Political Correctness police because he lose his job due to freely voicing his opposing opininon's to the righ and powerful. Just how much government money goes into funding National Public Radio? It doesn't look so public or American now. It's happening BEFORE our eyes and before an upcoming electiuon, folks. Get smart.

Really a sad shame.

I'm'sure there will more on these issues to come. (Please forgive any mispelling or gramatical errors, this was written in emotional haste.)

Vietnam Facts vs Fiction:

2010-10-15T12:16:00.001-07:00

Vietnam Facts vs Fiction:

For over 30 years, many Vietnam veterans....seldom spoke of Vietnam, except with other veterans, when training soldiers, and in public speeches. These past five years I have joined the hundreds of thousands who believe it is high time the truth be told about the Vietnam War and the people who served there. It's time the American people learn that the United States military did not lose the War, and that a surprisingly high number of people who claim to have served there, in fact, did not.

As Americans, support the men and women involved in the War on Terrorism, the mainstream media are once again working tirelessly to undermine their efforts and force a psychological loss or stalemate for the United States. We cannot stand by and let the media do to today's warriors what they did to us 35 years a go.

Below are some assembled some facts most readers will find interesting. It isn't a long read, but it will....I guarantee....teach you some things you did not know about the Vietnam War and those who served, fought, or died there. Please share it with those with whom you communicate.

Vietnam War Facts: Facts, Statistics, Fake Warrior Numbers, and Myths Dispelled:

9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the official Vietnam era from August 5, 1964 to May 7, 1975.

2,709,918 Americans served in uniform in Vietnam

Vietnam Veterans represented 9.7% of their generation.

240 men were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War

The first man to die in Vietnam was James Davis, in 1958. He was with the 509th Radio Research Station, which was later named for him.

58,148 were killed in Vietnam

75,000 were severely disabled

23,214 were 100% disabled

5,283 lost limbs

1,081 sustained multiple amputations

Of those killed, 61% were younger than 21

11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old

Of those killed, 17,539 were married

Average age of men killed: 23.1 years

Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old.

The oldest man killed was 62 years old.

As of January 15, 2 004, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for from the Vietnam War 97% of Vietnam Veterans were honorably discharged

91% of Vietnam Veterans say they are glad they served

74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome

Vietnam veterans have a lower Unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.

Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.

87% of Americans hold Vietnam Veterans in high esteem.

There is no difference in drug use between Vietnam Veterans and non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group (Source: Veterans Administration Study)

Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison -- only one-half of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.
85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.

Interesting Census Stats and "Been There" Wanabees:

1,713,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August 1995 (census figures -- During that same Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country was: 9,492,958 -- As of the current Census taken during August 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between '95 and '00. That's 390 per day. During this Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census, four out of five who claim to be Vietnam vets are not.

The Department of Defense Vietnam War Service Index officially provided by The War Library originally reported with errors that 2,709,918 U.S. military personnel as having served in-country. Corrections and confirmations to this errored index resulted in the addition of 358 U.S. military personnel confirmed to have served in Vietnam but not originally listed by the Department of Defense. (All names are currently on file and accessible 24/7/365).

Isolated atrocities committed by American Soldiers produced torrents of outrage from anti-war critics and the news media while Communist atrocities were so common that they received hardly any media mention at all. The United States sought to minimize and prevent attacks on civilians while North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a centerpiece of its strategy. Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison sentences while Communists who did so received commendations. From 1957 to 1973, the National Liberation Front assassinated 36,725 Vietnamese and abducted another 58,499. The death squads focused on leaders at the village level and on anyone who improved the lives of the peasants such as medical personnel, social workers, and school teachers. -- Nixon Presidential Papers

Common Myths Dispelled:

Myth: Common Belief is that most Vietnam veterans were drafted.

Fact: 2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. 2/3 of the men who served in World War II were drafted. Approximately 70% of those killed in Vietnam were volunteers.

Myth: The media have reported that suicides among Vietnam veterans range from 50,000 to 100,000 - 6 to 11 times the non-Vietnam veteran population.

Fact: Mortality studies show that 9,000 is a better estimate. "The CDC Vietnam Experience Study Mortality Assessment showed that during the first 5 years after discharge, deaths from suicide were 1.7 times more likely among Vietnam veterans than non-Vietnam veterans. After that initial post-service period, Vietnam veterans were no more likely to die from suicide than non-Vietnam veterans. In fact, after the 5-year post-service period, the rate of suicides is less in the Vietnam veterans' group.

Myth: Common belief is that a disproportionate number of blacks were killed in the Vietnam War.

Fact: 86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, 1.2% were other races. Sociologists Charles C. Moskos and John Sibley Butler, in their recently published book "All That We Can Be," said they analyzed the claim that blacks were used like cannon fodder during Vietnam "and can report definitely that this charge is untrue. Black fatalities amounted to 12 percent of all Americans killed in Southeast Asia;" a figure proportional to the number of blacks in the U.S. population at the time and slightly lower than the proportion of blacks in the Army at the close of the war."

Myth: Common belief is that the war was fought largely by the poor and uneducated.

Fact: Servicemen who went to Vietnam from well-to-do areas had a slightly elevated risk of dying because they were more likely to be pilots or infantry officers. Vietnam Veterans were the best-educated forces our nation had ever sent into combat. 79% had a high school Education or better.

Here are statistics from the Combat Area Casualty File (CACF) as of November 1993. The CACF is the basis for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial (The Wall): Average age of 58,148 killed in Vietnam was 23.11 years. (Although 58,169 names are in the Nov. 93 database, only 58,148 have both event date and birth date. Event date is used instead of declared dead date for some of those who were listed as missing in action)

Deaths Average Age:

Total: 58,148...............23.11 years

Enlisted: 50,274..........22.37 years

Officers: 6,598.............28.43 years

Warrants: 1,276...........24.73 years

E1 525........................20.34 years

11B MOS: 18,465........22.55 years

Myth: The common belief is the average age of an infantryman fighting in Vietnam was 19.

Fact: Assuming KIAs accurately represented age groups serving in Vietnam , the average age of an infantryman (MOS 11B) serving in Vietnam to be 19 years old is a myth, it is actually 22. None of the enlisted grades have an average age of less than 20. The average man who fought in World War II was 26 years of age.

Myth: The Common belief is that the domino theory was proved false.

Fact: The domino theory was accurate. The ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) countries, Philippines , Indonesia , Malaysia , Singapore and Thailand stayed free of Communism because of the U.S. commitment to Vietnam . The Indonesians threw the Soviets out in 1966 because of America 's commitment in Vietnam. Without that commitment, Communism would have swept all the way to the Malacca Straits that is south of Singapore and of great strategic importance to the free world. If you ask people who live in these countries that won the war in Vietnam , they have a different opinion from the American news media. The Vietnam War was the turning point for Communism.

Myth: The common belief is that the fighting in Vietnam was not as intense as in World War II.

Fact: The average infantryman in the South Pacific during World War II saw about 40 days of combat in four years. The average infantryman in Vietnam saw about 240 days of combat in one year thanks to the mobility of the helicopter. One out of every 10 Americans who served in Vietnam was a casualty. 58,148 were killed and 304,000 wounded out of 2.7 million who served. Although the percent that died is similar to other wars, amputations or crippling wounds were 300 percent higher than in World War II ....75,000 Vietnam veterans are severely disabled. MEDEVAC helicopters flew nearly 500,000 missions. Over 900,000 patients were airlifted (nearly half were American). The average time lapse between wounding to hospitalization was less than one hour. As a result, less than one percent of all Americans wounded, who survived the first 24 hours, died. The helicopter provided unprecedented mobility. Without the helicopter it would have taken three times as many troops to secure the 800 mile border with Cambodia and Laos (the politicians thought the Geneva Conventions of 1954 and the Geneva Accords or 1962 would secure the border).

Myth: Kim Phuc, the little nine year old Vietnamese girl running naked from the napalm strike near Trang Bang on 8 June 1972.....shown a million times on American television....was burned by Americans bombing Trang Bang.

Fact: No American had involvement in this incident near Trang Bang that burned Phan Thi Kim Phuc. The planes doing the bombing near the village were VNAF (Vietnam Air Force) and were being flown by Vietnamese pilots in support of South Vietnamese troops on the ground. The Vietnamese pilot who dropped the napalm in error is currently living in the United States. Even the AP photographer, Nick Ut, who took the picture, was Vietnamese. The incident in the photo took place on the second day of a three-day battle between the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) who occupied the village of Trang Bang and the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam) who were trying to force the NVA out of the village. Recent reports in the news media that an American commander ordered the air strike that burned Kim Phuc are incorrect. There were no Americans involved in any capacity. "We (Americans) had nothing to do with controlling VNAF," according to Lieutenant General (Ret) James F. Hollingsworth, the Commanding General of TRAC at that time. Also, it has been incorrectly reported that two of Kim Phuc's brothers were killed in this incident. They were Kim's cousins not her brothers.

Myth: The United States lost the war in Vietnam.

Fact: The American military was not defeated in Vietnam. The American military did not lose a battle of any consequence. From a military standpoint, it was almost an unprecedented performance. General Westmoreland quoting Douglas Pike, a professor at the University of California, Berkley a major military defeat for the VC and NVA.

The United States did not lose the Vietnam War; the South Vietnamese did. The fall of Saigon happened 30 April 1975, two years AFTER the American military left Vietnam . The last American troops departed in their entirety 29 March 1973 .

How could we lose a war we had already stopped fighting? We fought to an agreed stalemate. The peace settlement was signed in Paris on 27 January 1973 . It called for release of all U.S. prisoners, withdrawal of U.S. forces, limitation of both sides' forces inside South Vietnam and a commitment to peaceful reunification. The 140,000 evacuees in April 1975 during the fall of Saigon consisted almost entirely of civilians and Vietnamese military, NOT American military running for their lives. There were almost twice as many casualties in Southeast Asia (primarily Cambodia) the first two years after the fall of Saigon in 1975 then there were during the ten years the U.S. was involved in Vietnam . Thanks for the perceived loss and the countless assassinations and torture visited upon Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians goes mainly to the American media and their undying support-by-misrepresentation of the anti-War movement in the United States .

As with much of the Vietnam War, the news media misreported and misinterpreted the 1968 Tet Offensive. It was reported as an overwhelming success for the Communist forces and a decided defeat for the U.S. forces. Nothing could be further from the truth. Despite initial victories by the Communists forces, the Tet Offensive resulted in a major defeat of those forces. General Vo Nguyen Giap, the designer of the Tet Offensive, is considered by some as ranking with Wellington, Grant, Lee and MacArthur as a great commander. Still, militarily, the Tet Offensive was a total defeat of the Communist forces on all fronts. It resulted in the death of some 45,000 NVA troops and the complete, if not total destruction of the Viet Cong elements in South Vietnam. The Organization of the Viet Cong Units in the South never recovered. The Tet Offensive succeeded on only one front and that was the News front and the political arena. This was another example in the Vietnam War of an inaccuracy becoming the perceived truth. However, inaccurately reported, the News Media made the Tet Offensive famous.

Dennis Prager University teaching "American Values" Videos Links

2010-10-11T12:01:00.000-07:00

Dennis Prager University teaching "American Values" Video LINK (copy & paste into browser): http://www.youtube.com/user/pragerupreview#p/a/u/1/Nn4IH3yng4k
OR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn4IH3yng4k&feature=player_profilepage

Do you want this delusional woman to be your next Governor ???...NOT for my calif governor!!

2010-10-11T11:56:00.000-07:00

VERY Embarrassing Chelene Nightengale in video action...Do you want this delusional woman to be your next Governor ???...NOT for my calif governor!! **3rd party AIP Calif Governor 2010 candidate, Chelene Nightingale whorse voice can be heard starting at :07 seconds and goes on th...ru-out video yelling out; 'Fat ass', 'call 911', 'child abuse' and so on with children present at the fast food stand. The ball-capped blonde in the video is SOS staffer, Janet 'Blondee' and the video camera holding male with ball-cap is (now defunct) No More Invasion org leader, Dennis 'Americanpatriot' Slater.

Video proof LINK(copy & paste into browser):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX2Iu59B9cc

UNclassy intollerant Beverly Hills Liberals attack Tea Party children at event

2010-09-29T09:25:00.000-07:00

Good video of Liberal Beverly HIlls Elite attacks on Tea Party Patriotic children....

VIDEO LINK: http://youtu.be/Qpgp8SH4DIo

Good music video

2010-09-20T12:07:00.000-07:00

Suspect In Valley Village, CA- Murder Of Cheree Ozmanhodzic

2010-09-15T13:20:00.000-07:00

Suspect In Valley Village, CA- Murder Of Cheree Ozmanhodzic Identified

Los Angeles police this week announced they have identified a suspect in the shocking and brutal Valley Village murder of a bride-to-be in July. The alleged killer was ID'd as Omar Armando Loera, a 34-year-old who was described as a "parolee at-large" (ILLEGAL ALIEN ??) with tattoos of Aztec women on both shoulders. Police Tuesday afternoon said Loera weighs 170 pounds and stands at 5 feet, 9 inches tall. Anyone with information about him was asked to call police at 818-623-4016.
Cheree Ozmanhodzic was "brutally murdered" in her home on July 24, apparently right before her husband-to-be was returning from an errand right after the sun set, according to police. The fiancé spotted a man in the home and chased him down the street as the residence went up in flames in an apparent attempt by the killer to cover-up evidence. The body of Chere, a 34-year-old Armani saleswoman, was soon discovered. The exact way she was killed was not revealed. At the time, however, police had enough of a description of the suspect to release an artist's sketch of the man they wanted at the time.
LINK:
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/crime/cheree-ozmanhodzic-suspect/

Frank Jorge.vs Chelene Nightingale

2010-09-13T16:03:00.000-07:00

The following link is to a thread where you may download the sound file from the trial of Chelene Nightingale vs Frank Jorge. For those of you wanting facts, here they are from the court record. In the course of Frank Jorge's effort to get repayment of a 3 year old loan to Chelene, he has endured all sorts of denigrations and insults, in addition to being called a traitor by nightingale and many in her camp.

Frank Jorge of AVMM robbed by Chelene Nightingale

2010-09-13T15:59:00.000-07:00

Originally Posted by Rim05
I did not see a single person from old SOS.

Frank Jorge (leader of defunct Antelope Valley Minutemen) says about Chelene Nighingale running for Ca '10 3rd party governor:

She(Chelene N.) sacrificed so many of us for not agreeing with her dictatorial ways that we all walked off and as far away as we could from her.

After having helped her out financially, driving her to rallies, buying her meals and such for close to a year we go to Simi Valley where a bunch of us were protesting a church harboring illegal alien Liliana. This was a crowd of anti-illegal immigration activists that included SOS, LAIR and others.

I was on my bullhorn giving the church an earful when Chelene decides that I should not and says "No"! at the same time that she physically pushes the bullhorn away from me. I was shocked! I was angered and beside myself with indignation. She was my passenger, that's how she got there. I could not believe her nerve. The same day I calmed down and purchased her meal for her after the event and drove her back to the Antelope Valley.

I was beginning to catch on that there was really something wrong with this woman.

Some time later she decides to host the NAU rally in West Los Angeles by the Federal building. She approaches me about me bringing my sound system to the event. I was hesitant because of her prior behavior but agreed to do so.

A week before the event was to take place I informed her that my old truck was not faring well and that I would not be able to make it. She wanted to borrow the equipment and I told her that I do not loan that stuff out because people wreck it and return it saying "I'm sorry" and leave me to get it fixed at my expense.

She became angry and I told her to check with Ted Hayes because I had helped him to select a system and that they would be able to help her, besides, she had been loaned a large amount of money recently and could have purchased a system. Ted Hayes helped her out.

I decided to attend the rally in my van. As soon as I arrived Jeff Schwilk came to me and said that he was just the messenger but that Chelene wanted me to leave her rally.

I stayed because I had driven a long ways. Later when she came to me I held out a fifty dollar bill (donation for porta potties that she had asked for) that she ripped out of my hand (no exaggeration) and asked me why I was there.

I said that I had come in support.

The rally ended and I encountered a gentleman who was on the other side of the issue with respect to illegal immigration and who recognized us. We started arguing and Chelene said to me, "I order you to stop talking to him" with outstretched arm and finger pointed in the direction she wanted me to go in. This is no lie on my part. It is exactly what she said and did. I had been in the service, taken orders and marched. Who in hell was this woman to speak to me as if she were a general and I her subordinate?

Later we all went to a place to eat and one of the ladies was shooting a video. She asked some of us to speak and she wanted me to be first. I got up to speak and Chelene jumped up immediately to stop me. Later I was told that she was telling the video lady that I was on the other side, a mole, a traitor. No, I did not pay for her meal.

I kept my cool but i wasn't going to be taking Chelene anywhere from that moment on. She called on numerous occasions trying to ride with me (it saved her gas money, she could bum a meal and her vehicle was safe from goon attacks) but I made lame excuses as to why I could not take her with me. I just did not want to empower someone that had, and would keep treating me like small change.

Frankly I was done with her and I understood why others were too...fully!

There had been prior outrages but I had always looked past the moment and forgiven her. There was the time that we were having an Antelope Valley Independent Minutemen BBQ at my home and Chelene was talking with many of them. They did not like her demeanor and wanted her booted out of the AVIMM. Then at the same BBQ she wanted some toys for her son to play with and my wife graciously produced some army men from a box of toys, Chelene noticing that one of these held a chinese flag threw the figure back into the box and told my wife "I am offended". My wife doesn't take lip from anyone but because of me she kept a lid on it and later said to me, "Don't ever bring that bitch here again". I agreed that my wife was and is correct.

Chelene was never invited back.

I have been labelled by Barbara Coe and Jeff Schwilk as being an Anti-American, a goon and a traitor and all that was involved in this were my court dealings with their darling.

Jeff Schwilk was on me like white on rice immediately as he tried to paint me as a traitor so that not a word of truth would be uttered about his leader.

Barbara Coe declared me a traitor three times over the same situation.

Non of them offered to pay a cent of what was owed on a large debt.

Losing Barbara Coe's trust hurt quite a bit and I was taken aback by it all. I had never had a cross word with Jeff or Barbara prior to that.
Finally I settled in emotionally and just said good riddance to both of them.

And all of this because of whom? Chelene!

If the people of Victorville want to be treated like shit then they can vote for Chelene and by God they deserve what they get.

Slavery is alive in the US with employer hiring illegal aliens

2010-07-28T13:31:00.000-07:00

I recognize that illegal aliens are be exploited by employers every day of the week in your comfortable middle-class community. Look at the street corners for that proof. Many limoLiberals expoused run-of-the-mill progressive talking points about illegal aliens. Those boring false points have been "busted" by the media voters and officials for many months now. Illegals don't do jobs American won't do, especially in this harsh ecomony. Slavery is alive in the US. Americans spend months at a time at sea fishing for crab or drilling for oil; two of the most dangerous jobs in the world. Americans clean bathrooms, subway stations and crime scenes. Americans man toll booths, pave roads, embalm bodies and inspect sewers. Yet people really expect us to believe that they won't pick strawberries or oranges?

It just doesn't add up.

Earlier this week The Wall Street Journal published a story about a shortage of H-2B visas, which are issued twice a year to nonagricultural seasonal employees. Because our government can't get out of its own way, they recently let an important "returning workers" provision expire resulting in thousands of foreign workers being shut out of the country this summer.

That's inexcusable. I know this will come as a huge shock to those who only like to hurl insults, but I think we should be issuing more work visas, more student visas, and more green cards. And I think we should cut the red tape and bureaucracy that's constantly blocking the front door.

But until that happens people are left looking for loopholes and excuses, and "jobs Americans won't do" is the gold standard.

The Journal article offered an example of a couple that sells food at fairs around California each summer. They say that because of the H-2B visa shortage most of their seasonal employees aren't able to enter the country.

So why don't they just hire Americans instead? Good question. Her answer? "This is a hard job."

I find it pretty hard to believe that there aren't a few college students who wouldn't want to drive around California and work outdoors all summer, but let's assume that's true. Let's even assume that none of the other 1.1 million Californians who were unemployed as of April are interested in the job either. Isn't anyone wondering why?

Well I'm not a labor consultant, but I am a thinker. Maybe the problem isn't that the job they're offering is "too hard," maybe it's that the wages they're offering are "too low."

No one paints the undersides of bridges for fun, they do it for the money. That's how capitalism works.

How capitalism does NOT work is when we collectively look the other way as companies exploit illegal labor for their own benefit.

The unspoken truth is that these businesses don't hire illegal aliens because they can't find American workers, they hire illegal aliens because they don't want American workers. And it has nothing to do with wages.

Illegal aliens mean no workers' comp claims, no age, race or sex discrimination lawsuits, no healthcare premiums, no unions, and no demands for raises, vacations or bigger offices. In fact, illegal immigrants are the perfect employees because they're not employees at all; they're corporate slaves.

Economist Dr. Thomas Sowell once said, "Blacks were not enslaved because they were black, but because they were available." Can't the exact same thing be said for illegal aliens? They're available and we're allowing them to be exploited in the name of cheap groceries.

Is the price of fruit really the standard we want to live up to as a country? Is that really who we've become?

Many Americans believe that cracking down on the businesses that hire illegal aliens (the current maximum federal fine was recently raised to a laughable $16,000) would hurt these hardworking people too much. A bad job is better than no job, we tell ourselves. But that's catalogue compassion. If you want to understand the real impact of these decisions you've got to get off the couch and go see it for yourself.

Back in 2005, Newsday did an investigation of the living conditions of immigrants in the New York area. In the city of Westbury (median income: $83,000/year) officials found twelve immigrants living in a basement flooded with sewage.

In Southampton (median income: $64,000/year) officials found immigrants living in sheds with no plumbing or heat.

In New Cassel (median income: $62,000/year) officials estimated there were dozens of "shift-bed houses" where immigrants literally rent mattresses for a few hours a day to catch some sleep.

Is compassion looking the other way while immigrants who come here for the dream end up living a nightmare smack dab in the middle of some of our wealthiest communities?

Is compassion ignoring stories that reveal the truth, like the recent raid of a squalid "drop house" in Los Angeles where 57 illegal aliens were being held against their will?

Is compassion not wanting to hear that a woman was raped in that drop house, or that many more would have been if not for the screams of their children disrupting the attackers?

If that's compassion, then I guess I'm happy to be accused of having none.

The problem with the debate over illegal immigration right now is that special interests have been successful in making us think with our hearts instead of our brains. We've been persuaded to believe that real compassion can only be achieved by following their agenda. But look where that's gotten us. And more importantly, look where that's gotten the people they're supposedly trying to help.

If you really want to be compassionate, then help immigrants get jobs here the right way. Help put crippling fines on the employers who knowingly hire illegal workers, help expand and simplify the visa process, and, most importantly, help get people to start thinking with their brains again.

After all, compassion without common sense may feel good but it doesn't achieve anything. If you need proof then go out and give $1,000 to every homeless person who asks you for change. I bet your heart would be full, but your wallet would soon be empty. And all those people would probably still be homeless.

Tell the Brown Berets & MecHa: Cesar Chavez was no friend to illegal immigration.

2010-07-28T13:01:00.000-07:00

The UFW leader (Cesar Chavez) was no friend to illegal immigration
until he became an ethnic figurehead. By Steve Sailer

In California, only three birthdays are official state holidays: Jesus Christ’s, Martin Luther King’s, and Cesar Chavez’s. Beatification as a secular saint, though, isn’t always good for the soul. A recent four-part exposé by reporter Miriam Pawel in the Los Angeles Times revealed how the labor leader turned revered ethnic icon descended into paranoia, megalomania, and general crack-pottery in the 15 years before his death in 1993.
Today, his United Farm Workers functions less as a union it represents only 2 percent of the California agricultural workforce than as a lucrative Latino-pride fundraising machine providing sinecures for a dozen Chavez relatives. Pawel writes, Chavez’s heirs run a web of tax-exempt organizations that exploit his legacy and invoke the harsh lives of farm workers to raise millions of dollars in public and private money. The money does little to improve the lives of California farm workers, who still struggle with the most basic health and housing needs and try to get by on seasonal, minimum-wage jobs.
From 1965 to 1981, the UFW succeeded in raising wages significantly for stoop laborers in California. Since then, their pay has fallen, and they’ve lost most of the fringe benefits they had won. Today, most make less than $10,000 per year. Hundreds were discovered near Salinas living in caves, a mass indignity that even that town’s most famous son, John Steinbeck, barely anticipated in The Grapes of Wrath.
Unfortunately, in focusing on gossip about the personal foibles of Chavez and his successors, the LA Times series completely ignored the politically incorrect paradox of who was most responsible for wiping out the gains Mexican-American farm workers had achieved through strikes and consumer boycotts: illegal immigrants from Mexico.
His success stemmed from the long-term decline in the farm labor supply. According to agricultural economist Philip L. Martin of the University of California, Davis, migrant farm workers in the U.S. numbered 2 million in the 1920s. Eisenhower cracked down on Mexican illegal immigrants, shipping one million home in 1954 alone. The famous 1960 Harvest of Shame documentary by CBS newsman Edward R. Murrow inspired liberal Democrats in Congress to abolish the bracero guest-worker program in 1964. The supply of migrant workers dropped to about 200,000, most of them American citizens, making unionization and better contracts feasible as long as what Marx called the reserve army of the unemployed could be bottled up south of the border. The next year, Chavez began his storied organizing campaign.
Growers fought back by busing the reserve army up from Mexico. In 1979, Chavez bitterly testified to Congress:
‘when the farm workers strike and their strike is successful, the employers go to Mexico and have unlimited, unrestricted use of illegal alien strikebreakers to break the strike. And, for over 30 years, the Immigration and Naturalization Service has looked the other way and assisted in the strikebreaking. I do not remember one single instance in 30 years where the Immigration service has removed strikebreakers.’ The employers use professional smugglers to recruit and transport human contraband across the Mexican border for the specific act of strikebreaking.
In 1969, Chavez led a march to the Mexican border to protest illegal immigration. Joining him were Sen. Walter Mondale and Martin Luther King’s successor as head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, Ralph Abernathy.
The UFW picketed INS offices to demand closure of the border. Chavez also finked on illegal alien scabs to la migra. Columnist Ruben Navarrette Jr. reported in the Arizona Republic, Cesar Chavez, a labor leader intent on protecting union membership, was as effective a surrogate for the INS as ever existed. Indeed, Chavez and the United Farm Workers Union he headed routinely reported, to the INS, for deportation, suspected illegal immigrants who served as strikebreakers or refused to unionize.
Like today’s Minutemen, UFW staffers under the command of Chavez’s brother Manuel patrolled the Arizona-Mexico border to keep out illegal aliens. Unlike the well-behaved Minutemen, however, Chavez’s boys sometimes beat up intruders.

MORE at LINK
http://www.amconmag.com/2006/2006_02_27/article.html

Former Marine 'Stuns Crowd' at Georgia Tea Party Event

2010-06-09T11:48:00.000-07:00

Former Marine 'Stuns Crowd' at Georgia Tea Party Event video LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_bP219ehQ

Dennis Slater's NMI site DOWN !!!!

2010-06-08T11:47:00.000-07:00

Love boat 'Lethario' Dennis Slater's (boss of nO mORE Invasion anti-illegal alien site) forum has lost it's site & weak discussion forum. After years of BS, inactivity, SPAMMERS, porno forum posts and very little effective discussion on the illegal alien invasion topic it seems Slater's site is down and a website place holder is up for all interested parties to laugh at LINK:
http://www.nomoreinvasion.com/forum/index.php

It's seems Dennis left The Mission and the illegals WON !!!!!????? Jackass.

Strong-arm bully tactics of assistant principal Miguel Rodriguez, Live Oak High School, in Morgan Hill, California, was overwhelming.

2010-05-10T08:34:00.000-07:00

Greetings,

The response to my last comments concerning the inappropriate strong-arm suspension of five great young men, patriots who displayed their individual patriotism by wearing American tee-shirts to Live Oak High School, in Morgan Hill, California, was overwhelming. I received scores of requests of names and address of the people involved in this travesty

The strong-arm bully tactics of assistant principal Miguel Rodriguez to persuade the five male students to turn their shirts inside out because some students were offended by the display of the American flag on May 5, Cinco de Mayo, an obscure Mexican holiday. The administrator thought the display of the flag shirts as incendiary.

What an outrage !!

The e mail letter I sent to you and the subsequent commentary published in The Signal, Sunday May 9 has been overwhelming.

Here are the names and e mails of all concerned parties.

Nick Boden, principal, Live Oak HS. nick.boden@mhu.k12.ca.us
Dr. Wesley Smith, Superintendent MHUSD. wes.smith@mhu.k12.ca.us

And the Morgan Hill Board of Education:

Bart Fisher, president . bartfish@hotmail.com
Peter Mandel, member pmandel@verizon.net
Shelle Thomas, member BIGGSPL@aol.com
Mike Hickey, member mvhickey@charter.net
Kathleen Sullivan, member katmos@charter.net
Julia Hoover-Smoot, member juliaghs@aol.com
Dan Moody, member, member moody_mhusd@yahoo.com

The mailing address for all parties is:

Morgan Hill Unified School District
14600 Concord Circle
Morgan Hill, CA. 90037
(408) 201-6000

I sent to State Department of Public Instruction, Jack O'Connell, explaining my concern.

Violence and rascism from the illegal supporters, 2010

2010-05-08T12:26:00.000-07:00

VIDEO:
Minuteman and Tea Party protest against illegal aliens in San Francisco, 2010.

Violence and rascism from the illegal supporters,

Rancher killed, calls for National Guard on border, Pres Obama fiddles...

2010-04-02T15:27:00.000-07:00

White House responds to National Guard deployment call

http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=12244731

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - After a second day of trying, KGUN9 News has finally obtained a response from the White House on Governor Brewer's request to send the National Guard to patrol Arizona's border. While not directly addressing the deployment question, the statement promised that the administration will continue "monitoring" the situation.

On Wednesday KGUN9's Steve Nunez documented how Arizona Governor Jan Brewer has made five written requests for such a deployment over the last year and a half. The governor said none of those requests elicited a reply. Since the murder of prominent southeast Arizona rancher Robert Krentz on Saturday, many other politicians on both sides of the aisle, along with many ranchers and law enforcement officers, have echoed the governor's request. Nunez tried repeatedly to get a response from the White House to those calls on Wednesday. He spent the day being shuffled from one agency to the next and ended the day with a score of zero.

On Thursday Nunez tried again, retracing his steps and asking the same questions of many of the same people. Among the questions 9 On Your Side wants to know: What is the President's stance on sending troops to the border? Why has his administration simply ignored the requests from Arizona's governor? What does the President have to say to Arizona citizens and politicians who are now renewing that call and asking for his help?

By the end of the business day, Nunez was able to obtain this carefully worded statement from White House spokesman Adam Abrams: "The President is firmly committed to ensuring our borders are secure. It is why the Administration has taken important steps - including deploying additional law enforcement resources to reduce illegal flows across the border and supporting Mexico's efforts against drug trafficking organizations. We are carefully monitoring the situation and will continue to ensure that we are doing everything necessary to keep communities along the Southwest border safe."

The statement sidestepped the question of why the administration has simply ignored Governor Brewer. Adams told KGUN9 News that the statement quoted above is all the White House will have to say on this issue for now.

Calls for National Guard deployment erupted anew over the weekend following the Krentz murder. Someone shot Krentz to death Saturday at his ranch about 25 miles northeast of Douglas. Investigators have no suspects and no confirmed motive, but have said the most likely scenario is that Krentz encountered an illegal border crosser.

Ranchers along the border have been complaining for years that they're overrun with border crossers. On Sunday Cochise County Larry Dever confirmed that burglaries, home invasions and even kidnappings are now a routine occurrence along the border corridor.

In doing research for these stories, KGUN9 News found in its files a 1999 interview from a rancher in that area who lamented that no one was listening. It's the same complaint ranchers have today -- but in the wake of the Krentz murder, ranchers are making the complaint more forcefully. This time, at least some politicians are making a point of listening. On Wednesday night, hundreds of ranchers and area residents turned out in the border town of Portal to meet with Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords on the issue. Giffords, a Democrat, is among those calling for National Guard deployment.

On Thursday Nunez also pursued the story through the Department of Homeland Security, now headed by former Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano. While she was governor, Napolitano had a reputation of being fairly accessible to citizens and the media. A department spokesman told Nunez today that if he wanted to question Napolitano about the border security situation in Arizona, he should put in a request, and expect to wait at least a month.

Jason Mattera (YAF.org) on OBAMA ZOMBIES

2010-03-26T12:46:00.000-07:00

Jason Mattera (YAF.org) on OBAMA ZOMBIES (his new book) bribing or buying the youth collge vote; young voters want conservative values and items, Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdHIsax3hSE

This is frustrating coming from a public servant ?

2010-03-25T22:23:00.000-07:00

Rep. Charlie Rangel swears at Jason Mattera (yaf.oeg) over tax scandal questions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdtFWCrCh0s

Old WW2 General talks about War on Terror TODAY.

2010-03-17T23:31:00.000-07:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ

General Patton speaks the TRUTH.

MMP leader, Jim Gilchrist speaks about his court VICTORIES...

2010-02-11T14:22:00.001-08:00

Dear Minutemen,

Thank you for posting the two trial results on your site that completely exonerate me from all the false accusations made about the MMP by some sinister individuals who, three years ago, set out to destroy the organization and stop the immigration lawlessness awareness campaign.

I hope these two court decisions, both decisively in my favor, finally put to rest any suspicion that I am a criminal monster as deliberately falsely portrayed for the past three years by those complete mindless beasts (the hijackers) who tried to steal the Minuteman Project in a futile effort to destroy it.

Since one of their legal advisors from the firm of Gilbert and Marlow in Santa Ana, Ca. has close ties and connections to La Raza, it is appearing more and more that these bandits were working at the whim of La Raza or some other pro-illegal alien group. MMP lawyers are suing Gilbert & Marlowe for legal malpractice due to that law firms deemed unscrupulous actions.

The hijackers are long-time personal friends with journalist Frank Mickadeit of the Orange County Register (Santa Ana, Ca.) newspaper, and it appears he also conspired with them to disrupt the Minuteman Project and the minuteman movement by writing commentaries about me and the Project that deliberately and falsely claimed that the MMP and its leaders were criminals conducting all sorts of criminal activities from within the MMP.

Americans, this stuff is beyond the twilight zone. It is so surreal that it is almost unbelievable. I have always thought "framing" someone was something that only happened in fictional movies. I never thought in my life that I would ever be the victim of a "framing," but I was. UNBELIEVABLE!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!! (yep, still in disbelief that all of this actually happened).

I will again re-file federal and state criminal actions against the perpetrators as soon as I am done suing them next month in a civil trial. I have already gotten one arrested and put in the slammer. He is out now on probation. He stands being returned to prison for five years for violating his probation.

I also intend to include "dirty" journalist Frank Mickadeit as a possible "person of interest" in any criminal investigation.

As a former "clean, honest and respectable" newspaper reporter (from the early 70s), I am appalled that so-called journalist Frank Mickadeit would stoop so low as to deliberately write lies to intentionally distort the truth in the eyes of a newspaper's readership. His actions speak volumes about today's rampant corruption within the ranks of the media. In my opinion, people like Mickadeit are no different than bribe-taking politicians, drug-dealing cops, pedophile priests, or Wall Street thieves. They are all dirty.

Minutemen and women, stay within the rules of law in everything you do, and you will win in everything you do. And that is how we are going to win this contest with our political governors to stop the immigration lawlessness.

Thank you to all of you who supported me during these past three years of total Hell.

Meanwhile, watch your "six." What happened to me could very well happen to you.

Sincerely Yours,

Jim Gilchrist, BAJ, BSBA, MBA, CPA(ret.) - Founder and President, Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Project, Inc. [dba The Minuteman Project, Inc.]

3 years of MMP hijackers (Courtney, Stewart, and Sielski) comments court proven to be outright LIES!

2010-02-06T13:53:00.000-08:00

Gilchrist & MMP WINS again…3 years of MMP hijackers (Courtney, Stewart, and Sielski) comments court proven to be outright LIES !

STATEMENT OF DECISION
Jim Gilchrist Minuteman Project Inc VS Stewart, 01/31/08, Fraud, # 30-2008-00102064-CU-FR-CJC Stewart

The Court having taken the court trial under submission 1/25/10 now issues its statement of decision:

Based on the evidence presented at trial the court finds that James Gilchrist has never been legally terminated as a board member of the MMPI and that defendants Courtney and Stewart were lawfully terminated as board members from MMPI on February 2, 2007.

In making the above findings the court has considered the various legal and factual arguments advanced by the defendants and finds that with the possible exception of their claim that plaintiff is stopped from claiming he has the sole director of MMPI, which claim was not fully litigated, the arguments lack merit.
· For example, there is NO legal or factual support for the defendants’ claim of laches as it applies to plaintiff’s claim that he was the sole director of the MMPI or that he and others lawfully terminated the defendants. ·
*Likewise there is NO legal or factual basis for determining that Gilchrist and other members of the board were prevented from voting on their removal because it would have involved their self-dealing as interested directors.
· Finally, the court finds that there is NO legal or factual basis for the defendants’ claim that James Gilchrist waived his right to notice of his termination by appearing at the Janurary 29th board meeting. Of course Bueler and Eichler did not appear for that meeting, so the argument of waiver would not have applied to them in any event.

A permanent injunction shall issue, ordering defendants Courtney, Stewart, and Sielski to refrain from holding themselves out to anyone as members of Minute Man Project Inc, or members of its board of directors. This injunction requires the taking down of any web site, including but not limited to http://www.minutemenprojectinc. Com, wherein defendants hold themselves out to be members, managers, or spokespersons of the Minute Man Project INC. or members of the board of directors of the Minute Man Project Inc. Said defendants are further ordered to turn over all property belonging to Minute Man Project Inc to plaintiff. The court further finds, with regard to the defendants’ motions in limine and the plaintiff’s request for declaratory relief, that defendants Courtney, Stewart and Seilski are not members of Minute Man Project Inc, and have not been members of the border of directors of the Minute Man Project Inc, since February 2rd, 2007
The further proceedings relating to the trial of this matter are scheduled for February 8, 2010, at 10:00 am. The clerk shall give notice to the parties of the above ruling and schedule for further proceedings.

Is this Robert Crook's MountainMinuteman police report?

2010-01-27T00:12:00.000-08:00

RE: Robert Wesley Crooks - DOB 7/29/50
AKA: Robert Allen Taylor - DOB 2/25/50
charged with FELONY ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON (San Diego, CA)
Robert Crooks/Taylor charged with a FELONY and several MISDEMEANORS (Santa Barbara, CA)
Under investigation for FELONY BURGLARY AND VANDALISM (Ventura, CA)
Alleged ARMED ROBBERY CONVICTION under investigation (Oregon)

Robert Crooks has a Criminal Record over three pages long with approximately twenty (20) aliases. More aliases for Robert Crooks are under investigation.
Nickname for Robert Crooks “Lildog” or “Dog” (http://www.mountainminutemen.com/)

Date Activated 2005
Disclaimer: This report is comprised of the following details: Information obtained through interviews, Public records, official investigations, Crooks' own statements, as well as conclusions and opinions offered by various sources in the course of compiling this report.
The purpose of this report is a sincere effort and intention of preventing any further malicious crimes or deceptions being committed by Robert Crooks against an unsuspecting public. Certain names have been left out for protection and privacy.
Close to 400 recipients are receiving this report.

REPORT: The investigation on Crooks/Taylor (Crooks) has been ongoing for almost four years. Crooks thinks I am a close friend. When I first met Crooks, he painted this elaborate picture of how many people he knew, what a tough “good ol’ boy” and outstanding patriot he was, and how much he had done for America. He talked a good game. You asked me about a profile on Crooks. From my extensive research, I have found that Crooks is a narcissistic, dangerous, professional criminal and a con artist, whom has cheated and lied to/about many of the people he has come into contact with. I have found that Crooks has a sadistic attitude towards those who he rebels against, men and women alike. It seems that Crooks will go to any lengths to hurt a person or organization, for his benefit and needs, (without regard or concern for others), if Crooks feels someone or some organization opposes him. He has, also, been found to falsify statements about people to explain his failures.
Throughout my research and interviews with hundreds of individuals: doctors, lawyers, judges, law enforcement, and the everyday working person, I have found that Crooks targets kindhearted, sympathetic, compassionate, benevolent, naive people. Mainly, people that believe in the cause of maintaining America’s Constitutional sovereignty, enforcing the laws, keeping illegals and drugs out of the United States (From here on, known as Patriots).

Evidence shows that Crooks seeks these people with the intent to con, scam and/or defraud them over the years:
a) Out of money: donations, port-a-potty bills, gas for his truck and generators, and necessities for himself and his dogs (has had different dogs over the years)
b) Out of Material things: marijuana, beer, cigarettes, gas, generators, binoculars, tactical gear, ammo, vehicles, a motor home, a fifth wheel, a horse trailer, food for himself and his dogs, free utilities: gas, sewer, water
c) Into doing things for him: creating and maintaining his various websites, laundry, errands, picking up after him, cleaning his camp site, taking care of his dogs' needs---all with no compensation ever offered.

I know that Crooks is being investigated for Drug Smuggling, Felony Vandalism, Burglary, and Tax Evasion, along with other crimes, both Felony and Misdemeanor. If this Convicted Criminal is smuggling drugs to our kids, threatening peoples’ lives, and putting our organizations at the risk of bad publicity I will help in any way I can, to stop him.
Crooks told a few of us that he “allegedly” ran from the cops for over twelve (12) years regarding a Felony Armed Robbery that he committed in Oregon. Crooks, also, said that he had those records expunged. Being a "Fugitive from Justice" for a Felony, and getting the record expunged for the associated Felony, defies credibility. Investigation of this claim is on-going.
Crooks has a criminal record about three pages long. Including, but not limited to several convictions for Assault and Battery, Weapons Violations, and DUI Charges. Also, Crooks is charge with a Felony in San Diego County (San Diego Superior Court, original case number F89433 which was updated to CR-73887, DA-A87940), for Assault with a Deadly Weapon.
Crooks (AKA: Robert Allen Taylor) was charged with having violated: PC (Penal Code) 245(1) with PC 12022.7 and PC 1192.7(23).

PC 245: Any person who commits an assault upon the person ofanother with a deadly weapon or instrument other than a firearm or byany means of force likely to produce great bodily injury shall bepunished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or fouryears, or in a county jail for not exceeding one year, or by a finenot exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both the fine andimprisonment.

PC 12022.7: Any person who personally inflicts great bodily injury3on any person other than an accomplice in the commission of a felonyor attempted felony shall be punished by an additional andconsecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for three years.

PC 1192.7 (23): Any felony in which the defendant personally used a dangerous or deadly weapon.

NOTE: ICCU stands for Intensive Coronary Care Unit. The below statement was made by doctor Mushovic, M.D. regarding Crooks’ victim, Mr. Serchio, who was admitted to the ICCU via the emergency room in Coronado Hospital, in Coronado, California, for his severe injuries inflicted by Crooks. Doctor Mushovic, M.D.’s statement: “This 30-year-old male…was assaulted while aboard his boat in the middle of the bay. He jumped overboard to prevent further injury. He indicates that the assailant attempted to run over him with his own boat several times.” “…because of the severities of the injuries about the head and the suspected evidence of linear fracture of the left temporal bone, he was admitted to Coronado Hospital ICCU for treatment and observation for probable cerebral concussion.” (Criminal report is attached above)

Below are some of the State and Federal Criminal Reports on Robert Crooks.

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Crooks’ latest crime culminated between August 3 - 13, 2009. The alleged Burglary and Vandalism of a commercial fishing boat in Ventura, CA. (CRIME REPORT #09-11002). If you witnessed anything regarding this crime, please contact the Ventura Police Department at 805-339-4400, regarding crime number #09-11002, and let your local police department know the same information, and make sure that both police departments make a report, since Crooks has left the area. Callers can make these reports anonymously.

In my interviews with several people, police and investigators, it is my understanding that these are the chain of events: Crooks was fired, as captain, of said commercial fishing boat, because the owner discovered that Crooks was a convicted criminal, plus Crooks' true identity became questionable, because of Crooks’ Felony Police Report F89433. This Felony Police Report (F89433) regarding Felony Assault and Battery had the name Robert Allen Taylor, (AKA: Robert Wesley Crooks).

It appears Crooks was, also, fired because he lied about having a Commercial Captain’s license. Crooks had told the boat owner and other witnesses that he did have a Commercial Captain‘s license, as required by law. Additionally, it was reported that Crooks continuously used drugs, drank alcohol, and had demonstrated a clear lack of work ethic over the course of many months.
When the boat’s owner fired Crooks, ordered him to vacate the boat and stay off, Crooks allegedly pre-meditated the extensive vandalism of this boat. Witnesses saw Crooks on the boat, after Crooks was fired. Where during this time, Crooks allegedly punctured holes in the oil filter of the boat’s huge diesel engine and did the same to the boat’s new generator, as well as, ran the boat for two days straight, in the slip, until all the oil in the engine and maybe the generator was dry, thus destroying the diesel engine. The generator is still under inspection. Crooks, also, destroyed ten (10) very expensive pieces of electrical equipment, including the Furuno color video sounder, Echotec video plotter, Furuno plotter, Liquid Video display screen, Faria V-Term watchdog system, Garmin GPS map, ComNav autopilot, WesMar scanning sonar system, VHF radio, and 2MM radio. (See pictures below).

I’ve been to the boat and seen the horrific damage! The owner/victim was asked to send pictures of the crime to police, I have attached these pictures. (The boat is still under inspection for further damage).

Crooks, by phone, admitted the Vandalism to the Investigative Officer at the Ventura Police department. The crime report now is on the DA’s desk: (Case number 2009033305).
It is documented that Crooks tried to get insurance information right around the time he committed the crime in order to benefit himself by defrauding the insurance company and the boat’s owner.
I have spoken to many people and witnesses regarding this crime and have received the actual documents associated with the purchase of this boat and squid permit. Those documents consist of bank, credit card statements, sales papers, etc., all showing this owner/victim (young lady and her failing mother), being the sole financer(s), for this commercial fishing boat and Market Squid Permit. In talking with several witnesses, it seems that the victim(s) were persuaded to invest their life savings to the purchase of this boat and squid permit, based on Crooks' claims, lies and misrepresentations of the profit potential for Commercial Squid Fishing. It appears that Crooks took advantage, of this young lady’s hardship with her seriously ill mother and step father, by making promises and claims he knew were false, including but not limited to: misrepresenting the profit potential end of the business, misrepresenting that he does not (According to the United States Coast Guard) have a Captions License, and misrepresenting the demise of so-called members of Crooks’ Mountain Minutemen group, including himself, should the young lady not make this loan/investment (more on this below). Further evidence shows that this young lady and her mother (believing in the same cause as Crooks, regarding Patriotism), almost lost their home to foreclosure, because Crooks ‘conned’ them into thinking he could captain the boat and could make enough money in five months, (August 2008 - December 2008), so that the young lady would have enough to completely pay off the boat and squid permit, be able to stay home to take care of her parents, and work on/invest in her upcoming project. Additionally, the victim was told by Crooks that he could, also, make enough money, in those five months to enable his ‘organization’ (Mountain Minutemen) to pay a hefty, six figure, down payment to buy Patriot Point, thus "saving" the “demise” of the organization. Subsequent evidence shows that Crooks knew that the purchase of Patriot Point would never take place, regardless of what funds might come in, and the ‘purchase’ was a ruse, playing on his young lady’s/victims' patriotism.

In consulting with other Captains in the squid industry, it appears as though Crooks’ lack of10Captain’s skills in squid fishing, and lack of effort or work ethic, is responsible for the business failing. The business made only 1 / 7th of the money that the victim/owner put into the boat, business and squid permit. I’ve met the victim (young lady) before this incident and she is a wonderful person, who sacrifices a lot to take care of her mother and step-dad. Her parents both in wheelchairs, and were both in the final stages of their fatal diseases: stage 4 cancer (step-father) and Lou Gehrig's Disease, (mother). The victim’s father passed only a few months after Crook’s horrible actions and lie’s toward this family.

This young lady, that owns the boat, was adopted and had just met her birth father (a former US Marine) about five years ago. Her birth father is the one who discovered, and revealed to her, Crooks’ past history: his prior Felony Charge in San Diego, one of Crooks’ aliases, Robert Allen Taylor, and the fact that Crooks did not have a Captain’s license as he had represented. As a result of these revelations, Crooks began a campaign of publicly spreading rumors of fabricated, outrageous lies about the victim‘s natural father. Crooks personally told me some of these vile accusations. The victim’s natural father has three other young daughters that may be hurt by Crooks’ hideous, slanderous, defamatory accusations. But, Crooks didn’t stop there. Further into my research, I found that Crooks verbally threatened the life of the victims’ natural father several different times. There is a police report regarding Crooks‘ threats, on file, at the Chula Vista police department in California.

Numerous witnesses reported Crooks has been addicted to drugs and alcohol for many years and has started drinking heavily, again, off and on over the last six to seven months. Witnesses and pictures circulated by Crooks, and others, have confirmed this fact. Crooks, allegedly, is using people’s donations to purchase drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, and prostitutes instead of financing border operations as Crooks solicited for, from donors and followers.

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During my investigations, I have found records where a (patriot), gave Crooks $4000.00 around the month of July, 2009, (In the beginning of August is when Crooks circulated the pictures and a video of him and the girl, below, that he ‘claims’ is a prostitute).
Crooks was no where near the border nor conducting any border operations. In fact, Crooks had not been seen at the border area, at all, for months, in fact, almost a year. The exception was to attend a one day July 4th social event.

Crooks has Hepatitis C.

Crooks, admitted to sleeping with prostitutes. The above two pictures are of one of the ‘alleged’ prostitutes, that Crooks claimed to sleep with. Crooks sent these pictures, plus other pictures, and a video, via email, to a lot of us. (The girl was totally unaware that the video was being taken. The other photos and video are not attached to this email). Witnesses say that Crooks sent these pictures over the internet for bragging rights. To me, if Crooks didn’t tell the prostitute(s) about his incurable Hepatitis C disease, it’s attempted murder. If you are a possible victim, or want to confirm this evidence, contact Beverly Thomas of the Southern California Health Dept. 949 608 4470

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Crooks has gone by many aliases as you can see by the above names. I reviewed Robert Wesley Crooks’ credit history, he has one item on his credit report, which brings me to the conclusions: that either Crooks just got out of prison about five years ago, or he has just started using his ‘believed’ real name again, or Robert Wesley Crooks is another alias used by this man. It may be Crooks’ intent to not leave a paper trail for fear his past may catch up to him.
Crooks ran his Minutemen ‘Organization’ out of the state of California. In my findings, Crooks has different websites with Pay Pal accounts in which he solicits donations. Crooks, also, gets donations by mail, wire transfers and hand-outs, plus he sells his cups, hats and T-shirts. Crooks has not, at this time, reported any income to the IRS or the California Franchised Tax Board. His Mountain Minutemen organization is NOT a Non-profit Organization. I highly recommend that, if you, or anyone you know, has given Crooks donations, no matter how small, contact the IRS, immediately, at 800-829-0433, to make sure your donations were reported properly. You may want to, also contact the Franchised tax board in your state as well as the state of California at 800-952-5665, to report money given to Crooks.

In being around Crooks, studying his ‘character‘, and talking to many witnesses, including Crooks’ other ‘friends’, he has badmouthed, made unkind remarks, and literally lied about extremely great patriots, like: Charlie Uno, Dick Buck, Shorty, Viking, Jeff Schwilk, Kate Hilton, Carl Braun, Chris Simcox, T.J. Myers, Weasel, Bonfire, Radar, Melissa Gardner, Dusty Lane, Arizona Patriot, Treesman, and many more. It’s interesting that Crooks is badmouthing all of them, and literally lying about some of them, after most of them have done so much for him.
More regarding Crooks’ character: When Crooks first came to the border, he ‘told’ everyone that his residence was at Patriot Point, which is located south of Campo, California, about 30 feet from the American/Mexican border. Crooks portrayed himself as a dedicated patriot, and according to him, had become so outraged by the porous US border, that he made the “sacrifice” of coming to the border, setting up a permanent post and dedicating his life to "guarding our nation". The truth is that Crooks was living rent-free on private property, off the border, in Jacumba, California, in exchange for caretaking duties. Crooks, failing at that, was replaced and asked to leave. Having no where to go, he then, proceeded to set up camp at Patriot Point as a squatter, and created his new patriot persona.

Crooks exploited the national outrage regarding the illegal alien/border issues, thus enabling him to justify squatting on private property and soliciting donations. Crooks’ stories ranged form saying that the Indians gave him that property, to the property was government land. Crooks maintained this ruse for over two (2) years, rent-free. Additionally, when Crooks would find attention (and probably donations) dwindling, he would commit irrational acts “to bring attention to himself and feed his narcissistic ego“. Those acts were very damaging to the very movement he professed to be devoted to. Crooks has been heard saying that he didn't care about the damage to the movement or law abiding patriots, it was his goal was to bring attention to him, even if it was negative.

The information that I accumulated from many witnesses, and being around Crooks and his ‘organization‘, are that the ‘members’ of the "Mountain Minutemen" were actually independent border observers that were merely acquainted with Crooks and associated with him when they were conducting their independent operations in the area. Patriot Point was used by those patriots, at Crooks' invitation, as an operations staging area due to the desolation of the area. Safety in numbers. There were no formal meetings, organized agendas, official business or scheduled operations. The Mountain Minutemen consisted of a website owned by Crooks (paid for by donations) whereby Crooks could solicit donations for his ‘border operations’ group. No one benefited from the donations except for Crooks. There was no accounting of donations nor was anyone else privy to the amount collected. Crooks solicited these donations for his sole benefit.

Crooks maintained an ongoing feud with another rogue ‘patriot’, and it is believed that this adversary contacted the owner of the Patriot Point property and reported Crooks' squatting on the property. The owner legally evicted Crooks from the property. After Crooks heard that he was going to be evicted from Patriot Point, Crooks simply went AWOL, leaving his cluttered campsite and the group that he called himself the leader and founder of. I personally witnessed the fact that Crooks, abandoned ‘his’ group, and left them to clean up the former Patriot Point when Crooks completely abandoned his position (it took about a weeks worth of work). These patriots (men and women, but mainly one Marine) had to drop what they were doing, and spend their time and hard labor getting trucks, a motor home, a fifth wheel, supplies, tents, generators, a horse trailer, etc., off Patriot Point which is on a very steep hill with a washed out road, and gullies about two feet deep. If these patriots didn’t get Crooks’ stuff, that he mainly got from donations, off Patriot Point immediately, everything would have been lost and Crooks would have been charged with destruction of private property. Again, Crooks never offered any money to anyone to clean up his mess, that he should have been responsible for.

Just prior to Crooks' departure, a young man, Radar, with no experience on the border, arrived for a pre-planned, two week stay, to help Crooks "guard the border". Led to believe, by Crooks, that Crooks had no money or food, Radar brought all his own money, plus allegedly some of his mother’s money, in order to buy food and provisions for both, him and Crooks. Witnesses state that, Crooks told Radar that he was going out to go buy the food and provisions. Crooks took all of Radar's and his mother’s money and left him there, not returning. For days, without any means of protection, little food or provisions, Crooks left this Young Man alone at Patriot Point, without any communication from him. (Again, Patriot Point is only thirty feet off a hostile border, where drug wars have been known to happen.) Patriots showed up to assist the Young Man. Later, Crooks, by phone, made the excuse to those patriots, that he had gone off to work on a fishing boat in order to raise the funds to buy Patriot Point. Crooks, also tried to solicit funds from some of those same patriots, to try to ‘purchase’ Patriot Point.
15I communicated with the owners‘ legal council of Patriot Point, and if they were to sell, they would want 2.5 million dollars. In doing more research, and uncovering ‘facts’ according to many witnesses, Crooks had gone to the young lady/victim of the fishing boat, and made up a fabrication that a dirty San Diego Sheriff was after him, wanting to arrest him, because Crooks and ‘his’ organization was interfering with the drug trafficking in the area. Crooks told his unsuspecting young lady/victim that this Sheriff was not getting paid by the Cartel, because the drugs were not coming into America, and according to Crooks’ fabrication, was wanting to arrest Crooks, on false charges, and that’s why, ‘according to what Crooks told his victim and a few other witnesses‘, Crooks had to suddenly flee the Patriot Point location. Crooks was gone from the border area for over a year, yet is still asking people, via phone calls and his various websites, for donations to finance his ‘border operations‘. The ‘members’ of his Mountain Minutemen ‘organization’ have since formed their own group and continue to conduct themselves as legitimate, dedicated border observers, as well as independent observers. During Crooks tenure on Patriot Point, he widely distributed his Mountain Minutemen T-shirts and caps for anyone and everyone to wear, regardless of any affiliation. Since his departure, Crooks has hijacked and allegedly committed copyright infringements of photos, and possible plagiarism (from blogs, websites and personal emails) of border observers if they happened to be wearing the Mountain Minutemen shirts or caps and posted them to his website as ‘evidence’ of his current border group activities in order to continue to solicit donations. Crooks has now taken his entire blog off his site. Further investigation shows that Crooks’ web master was tired of not getting paid to keep the blog running.

In September 2009, Crooks showed up at a border-watch, in Arizona, called “Operation Spike,“ that was organized by the Patriot's Coalition. There was an open invitation to all border observers, independent or otherwise. Crooks, as he has done before, handed out his t-shirts to the patriots attending, and has since circulated pictures of attendees wearing the shirts. If Crooks does what he has done several times before, it won't be long before these pictures of independent border watchers wearing Crooks’ Mountain Minutemen T-shirts will appear on Crooks’ website, (should Crooks get his forum back), with Crooks’ intention of soliciting donations for his "month long operation". Indeed, no where in the body of the emails Crooks circulated, with the pictures, does he acknowledge the true name of the operation or acknowledge the organizers. Crooks, claimed to many different people that several women, in different organizations and in ‘his’ organization, along with the owner of the boat, have either tried to approach him for a relationship, or Crooks ‘claimed’ that he’s had a relationship with them. In being around Crooks all these years, talking to many witnesses, and talking and being around these women that Crooks has made these claims against, I found the contrary. I found no evidence that any of these women did have, or will have anything to do with Crooks in the form of a relationship. One female, in one of the patriot organizations, that Crooks claimed was making advances toward him, stated that she found Crooks, “absolutely repulsive“.

I’ve observed Crooks making his peers and other patriots feel sorry for him, so Crooks can receive free donations, food, and material things. Bi-weekly , there was a retired Sherriff’s group who would donate their time and gas, and bring Crooks a lot of food. Meanwhile, many other patriots were doing the same thing by donating food, supplies and money.
There was also a situation involving the unpaid bills, on Crooks‘ port-a-potty (portable toilet) account. Crooks was responsible for theses bills, yet persuaded another patriot to attach the bill to his credit card, and then, Crooks convinced a ‘Ladies Organization’ to pay the bill each month. When the “Light Up The Line” Event took place, a few extra port-a-potties were added to this bill. The other patriot organizations paid for their part, but Crooks did not pay his share for months, until the Port-a-potty service stated that they were going to stop cleaning Crooks’ port-a-potty, and remove it from Patriot Point. Crooks promptly solicited for donations specifically to cover the back port-a-potty bills (allegedly several hundred dollars). The entire bill, was paid by an anonymous donor, yet Crooks continued to solicit and receive many donations for the so-called unpaid port-a-potty bills after he knew the bill had been paid in full. As was his habit, Crooks never disclosed the amounts received or how they were spent.
Crooks is armed with illegal firearms (non-registered). Crooks has been charged with a Felony! The law states he should not even have access to firearms! Especially after the incident where Crooks discharged a round from his weapon, (hand gun), that could have gotten others hurt very badly. More about this in my separate report. I’ll send names and other evidence, including evidence regarding Crooks’ border activities that I’ve accumulated over the last four years, privately and separately from this report, to protect the innocent.

Crooks had a picture of his illegal rifle on his MYSPACE account. He has recently taken it off, but the police already have the evidence.

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It’s the violence of Crooks’ former and current crimes, the fact that he is being investigated for Drug Smuggling, Felony Vandalism, Burglary, and Tax Evasion, along with other crimes, both Felonies and Misdemeanors, and his obvious lack of regard for others that has me and others concerned.
If anyone has any other information regarding Crooks, please it is very important to contact your local law enforcement agency, in conjunction with the Ventura Police Department at 805-339-4400, (reference CASE NUMBER 09-11002) and make sure the police, at both Police Departments, make a report, since Crooks has already vacated the area, to Arizona, is now in a different area of California. You can call in anonymously. Make sure the law enforcement agency you make a report at, also contacts the Ventura police. 805-339-4400

I’m sure all dedicated patriots of good morals and conscience will help the Feds and police stop Crooks before he harms someone else. As demonstrated by the Shawna Forde tragedy, enormous damage to our movement and our country can be inflicted by the conduct of a single individual.

Another concern are the posts, on blogs, that people throughout the Nation are reading. Some of these negative post could be harming Patriot organizations across America.
(Names and email addresses have been left out for security and privacy.)

“LIL Dog is an asshole! … He's just another meth freak with a giant ego and an undeserved since of “accomplishment.”

“At one time, Crooks was… But his penchant for name-calling and gunplay has made him persona non grata among Minutemen leaders…”

“… in July 2007 Crooks distributed a chilling video that appeared to show a Mexican immigrant being hunted and killed by a Minuteman sniper using a night-vision scope. After the Intelligence Report publicized the video, Crooks told law enforcement investigators that he and another Minuteman had staged it because "[w]e're old men and we're bored."
Minuteman Project leader Jim Gilchrist subsequently banned his group's members from having any contact with Crooks, and stated publicly that he would no longer provide Crooks with supplies.
Whereas the Minuteman Project and most similar major civilian border patrol groups have detailed "Standard Operating Procedures," the Mountain Minutemen's rules of engagement, as detailed on the group's website, are basic: "Don't shoot anybody you're not supposed to shoot."

by » Sun May 18, 2008 9:06 pm“There is no doubt that LIL Dork is an idiot for making the video, but even worse is posting it under the name "Cockroach Hunter" on youtube. I am sick of being called a racist because of the actions of A-holes like LIL Dog…”

“Robert Crooks initially denied any connection to videos that seemed to depict an undocumented immigrant being shot on the border. He later admitted staging the videos and posting them online. “We're old men and we're bored,” he said.”

“Lil Dog isn't a bad guy, if you spend any time with him you would know that. But he is a complete liar and thinks alot of himself. Lil Dog expects everyone to take care of him and kiss his ass for the privilege! I think he made that video to make the La Raza jerks believe we are killing folks on the border. It's hard to see it as anything but racist, though.”

by » Sun May 18, 2008 7:17 pm “What kind of stupid Jackass would make a video like that? That video tells me all I need to know about "LIL Dog".”

“We have worked in close proximity with Robert L Crooks for two years. Our distaste for his methodology is well documented. We consider Mr. Crooks to be a "Lone Wacko." We have a strict policy, that anyone who associates with Little Dog is not welcome in our group… We do not tolerate irresponsible discharge of firearms.”
Every interview I see with LIL Dork he acts like an unhinged redneck.
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THE MOUNTAIN MINUTEMEN WANT YOU!! For a day, a week, or whatever time you can donate. Donations are gratefully accepted via PayPal, check, or money order, and are used to purchase equipment critical to our cause such as night vision and radio gear and to fuel "T-Rex", the Deuce and a Half military cargo vehicle so essential to our daily (and nightly) operations . Your country is calling.
Questions? Want to join?
Email casamigrand@yahoo.com (Robert “lildog” Crooks’ email)

Minuteman Santa Clarita Rally, PART 2

2010-01-22T15:30:00.000-08:00

The Santa Clarita Rally even had MecHa 3 Goons with video cameras interviewing naive attendees for their You TUbe account re-use....

2 more MecHa goons with video cameras

From an Eyewitness account of the rally:

At a busy popular corner of the Santa Clarita City Center, there was a flurry of patriotic sights and sounds last morning of Saturday January 16th, 2010. Readers might recall another similar political rally at the same location back in 2008. About 200 people participated in the last Minutemen rally, according to Santa Clarita’s newspaper, The Signal. Magic Mountain Parkway and Valencia Blvd, southwest corner is a popular event spot. Hundreds of smiling broad-based citizens with American flags holding Tax Revolt and Pro-Citizenship placards lined the streets and sidewalks. Also, Santa Clarita’s drivers by could hear the event’s guest speaker’s comments and many popular songs with pertinent political messages like playing The Beatles song, ‘The Tax Man’.

The event’s host and Master Ceremonies, Frank Jorge of AV Independent Minutemen keep things moving along for 2 hours. This event had been organized by many ‘umbrella’ volunteer political organizations. Here is a list of the helpful groups: Antelope Valley Independent Minutemen. Campo Minutemen, Ventura County Tea Party Tax Revolt Minutemen, Santa Clarita Tea Party Tax Revolt Minutemen, Ventura Tea Party Tax Revolt, Santa Clarita Tea Party Tax Revolt, and We The People org. Other minor local tax revolt and pro-citizenship organizations managed to contribute their networking and small assistance to make this event a success.

The rally was scheduled for 11 am to 1 pm. Several important quest speakers used this event to get their points across to all listening intently and all passers-by. Primarily, this event was another in the many Tax Revolt or ‘Tea Parties’ as the voter’s angry reaction to the Congress and the President’s pointless over-spending and budget busting. Also, illegal alien immigration issues were covered due to an impeding new additional Congressional amnesty bill, written by U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill. That bill is #4321. With the current great dissatisfaction with elected sitting city, state, and federal legislative incumbents, Kathleen ‘Suzy’ Evans was a guest speaker running for the State Assembly 40th District in the San Fernando Valley. She spoke on solving many community problems including the local illegal alien immigration problem. “It is the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss. If you talk about illegal immigration, you’re called a racist or a bigot. I am not afraid to talk about illegal immigration because I am not afraid to speak the truth. It is a fiscal as well as social nightmare for many parts of the United States, but especially so for all of us in California. This is a fact: The taxpayers of California spend more than $13 Billion dollars a year on subsidies to people who are in this country illegally. So here’s a question we should all be asking: at a time when we are struggling with our state budget, and our legislators are cutting firefighters, laying off teachers, closing our state parks and even letting criminals out of prisons early in order to save money. Why did they not cut any of the subsidies to illegal immigrants? We need to stop placing the needs of those who are here illegally before the needs of our own families, our businesses and our friends.”
The next guest spoke; Linda Paine is a member of the Santa Clarita Tea Party group. Ms. Paine said the Minutemen aren't hateful, but misunderstood. "Voters and Americans should be able to say ‘no' to illegal immigration without being called a racist," Paine said. The next person to speak, Santa Clarita Valley Independent Minutemen’s leader Roger Gitlin said the proposed immigration reform could ruin the country and the economy and he's discouraged enough about it to help organize the rally this weekend. "Mexico can't export its poverty to the U.S.," Mr. Gitlin said, referring to illegal alien immigrants. "I love this country. In a short period of time it could be unrecognizable.” "The people who come here and wave Mexican or Colombian flags are not interested in legal US citizenship," Mr. Gitlin said. "People from poverty come here for economic salvation, not to become citizens. People that don't have a means to support themselves should go back to their own home country." The next guest presenter, William Scarpino is a practiced speaker and representative of the Ventura County Tea Party. His outspoken group has been very active hosting public successful events at the Ventura City Center on Victoria Boulevard in the last year. Those Tax Revolt event’s attendance have been huge, very positive, informative and vocal. Mr. Scarpino powerfully expressed the taxpayer’s need to shrink our government. The Obama administration over spending will hurt the already shrinking middle-class of employed voters.

As a nice surprise for myself and many other event activists attending was hearing the next scheduled speaker’s comments. Bob Kellar, a Santa Clarita City Councilman was very powerful and informative since his views came from someone trying to work for voters inside of a mostly liberal over-spending government. Clearly, Mr. Kellar was very irritated in his podium presentation and in his comments. “The voter’s views are being ignored by their elected representatives,” he stated. Then next speaker was a very familiar and very influential face in the American and Mexican communities; it is ‘WethePeople’ administrator, Ray Herrera. Mr. Herrera’s message was building on Mr Kellar’s views expressing that every voter MUST get active and politically work in 2010 elections to influence upcoming elections away from bigger government and less personal freedom for individuals.

The next group of event speakers was very important for all in attendance to hear and understand because the next speaker group relates their first-hand experience dealing with the murders of American citizens and law enforcement officers by illegal aliens. Craig & Debbi Britt of the US border monitors, Campo Minutemen spent their time talking about the recent violent murder of ICE Border Agent Rosas. Agent Rosas had a young family and his death is still unsolved when he was shot in the head execution style four times by border ‘coyotes’ at the border. Mr. Britt was helpful in contributing important crime information to the Federal authorities investigating this agent’s killing. The next speaker is a direct crime victim of illegal alien crimes in Los Angeles. Activist, Mr. Jamiel Shaw Sr spoke courageously and eloquently about his college-bound son, Jamiel. An illegal alien gang member recently released from city jail for carrying a gun and assaulting a police officer murdered Jamiel Shaw Jr, his son. This gang member was released before the city police officials told ICE officials of his custody as prescribed by Federal law. Mr. Shaw and his family are influential in getting a Los Angeles ordinance called ‘Jamiel’s Law’ to be on the ballot by Los Angeles voter’s initiative process as a response to this tragedy. Sadly, the voter registrar said not enough valid voter signatures were collected to qualify this petition for the election only months ago. There are some major questions about that voter registrar decision. The next speaker pair had another personal connection to illegal alien crimes right here in Santa Clarita. Mr. & Mrs. John & Barbara March told of they’re heartbreaking experiences. Illegal aliens killed their adult son during his duties working as a Los Angeles Deputy Sheriff. In a routine traffic stop, he was murdered. The murder was found, tried, and is serving a life sentence in solitary confinement, instead of the righteous death penalty.

On a lighter note, the next speaker was not a crime victim or leader of a volunteer activism group. The speaker’s point of view was just as important to be heard. Mr. Mario Alvarez, a Canyon Country resident spoke to the crowd about his immigration experiences. He came from Mexico City 49 years ago and has been a citizen since 1979. He told his audience that it is wrong for aliens to come here from Mexico, illegally. He proudly stated that the USA is a great generous country and had his advice to Mexican illegal alien immigrants is to not enter the USA legally. His speech had drivers at the intersection responding in impromptu cheers.

Some event speakers personally blamed President Obama for the countries’ problems. Mr. Frank Jorge of Antelope Valley Independent Minutemen shared his negative perceptions about President Obama and his administration. At one point, Mr. Jorge questioned President Obama place of birth and his citizenship credentials for being elected as the President of the US. Mr. Jorge says that Barrack Obama maybe should be working in the White House, only in the capacity of a service butler. The next and final speaker was Robert Crooks of the problematic Mountain Minutemen. Mr. Crooks message was for everyone to ‘buy guns and ammo’ for the upcoming civil war in the US. People experiencing and listening to this rally came up with many conclusions and might be interesting to share. Many uncomfortable, bellicose and unconstructive views of any guest speakers with their personal attacks on named public officials were not well received or easy accepted by the event’s listeners. I heard it said at this event, “Some people should not be given a microphone to turn a positive informative rally into a place to personally rant and vent”. It seems it’s much more interesting to hear new candidates for upcoming election, and new positive comments with practical solutions to our countries’ problems from the rallies podium than to turn the event into a ‘witch hunt’.

How to ruin a public rally event...Santa Clarita Rally trash talking starts...

Several known local activists know to me due to my years ‘in the trenches’ helping to produce similar local events showed up to this event. Jean ‘Jean-from-Fillmore’ and ‘Eagle 1’, Gloria ‘Olde-Glory’, Susan ‘Standing-alone’, and Sam ‘Derail-amnesty-com’ come to mind. Chelene Nightengale of the now dead, Save Our State volunteer organization has burned several leaders in this ‘Cause’ and moved on without any Chelene apologies to the people she damaged. Even though some people have tried to resurrect Save Our State as a new and improved volunteer organization ‘SOS.info’, it seems this Santa Clarita event organizers and their ‘lapdogs’ can't let things drop with in the new ‘SOS.info’. They’re still taking trash behind people’s back or carrying on a ‘witch-hunt’ just like the hated Ms. Nightengale. That ‘SOS.info’ inside clique group REALLY is what I was concerned about. Clearly, it is just another incarnation of a backstabbing everyone Chelene old SOS's again with ‘SOS.info’, just with new people in charge. That’s VERY sad for the success of our ‘The Mission’.

Is this what happens when ‘SOS.info’ get a new junkie website and contribute to a street rally in Santa Clarita ??
Begin to ‘trash-talk’ people who attended and helped to bring rally guest speakers????? WOW, here we go again.
How come ‘SOS.info’ look and talk and act like snarky Chelene already. Sad or hypocritical...Who knows which?

SOME EXAMPLES: OFF THE ‘SOS.info’ FORUMS SITE, posted by Sam ‘derail-amnesty-com’ LINK:

http://www.saveourstate.info/showpost.php?p=3820&postcount=45

QUOTE-Tony and Dennis would show up at the same location and bloodshed would ensue. CalifNative did indeed put in appearance but AmericanPatriot77 was absent. And no, the former caused no problems whatsoever, which is pretty much his M.O. Mr. Pariah is usually no trouble so long as he is deprived of an Internet connection.-UNQUOTE

Sam didn't check his facts on his false ‘SOS.info’ comment, so this is inaccurate statement. But, for a lawyer and university professor, he was never someone for exact facts, names, and dates. That’s very bad for a ‘SOS.info’ spokesperson. People read Sam’s account of the Santa Clarita rally event, just as BAD and sloppy on the real goings on.
I attended the public and open Santa Clarita Rally. IN FACT, I got more rally attendance there by my 'internet connections’ networking with my Tax Revolt and Minuteman Project friends (You or your mindless cronies didn't) and two of your guest speakers were there & spoke because of my 'internet connections’. (You might have just lost those contributors for any rally future events with this ‘back-stabbing’ stunt against me. They don't like your trash talking and all.) You forgot to be nice/positive and mention that ONLY.
Instead you continued the 'hate Tony' diatribe with your petty Chelene-like posse of SOS.info clone hive minders like jeanfromfillmore, and such. (Jeanfromfillmore was Chelene’s biggest supporter and lapdog. Jean only changed away when the authoritarian ‘wind’ blew differently. Now she thinks she’s a leader in SOS.info)

MORE Chelene-like mindset ‘SOS.info’ Proof:
OFF THE ‘SOS.info’ FORUMS SITE, posted by Sam ‘derail-amnesty-com’ LINK: From Jean from Fillmore (big Chelene supporter and lapdog) says and thinks....

http://www.saveourstate.info/showpost.php?p=3895&postcount=8

QUOTE-"We have video of what Roger Gitlin said and will review it. If we find that his views do not coincide with ours, he will not be invited to speak at another event. Let's wait and see, but I heard what he said, and from what I remember, the paper quoted what he said."-UNQUOTE

Got Freedom of Speech in jingoistic SOS.info or is SOS.info afraid of that ??? Just like in George Orwell’s 1984, Gestapo-like FBISacto, SOS.info orgs forums...
SOS.info have become what you hate.
SOS.info still haven't learned from the Chelene jingoistic experience.
Jean is an org 'flea', which jumps from org to org for her own shallow personal ego needs and wishes.
Think about it before it’s too late.
The joke's on you and the problematic SOS.info. It shows you don’t learn from your past organizing xenophobic experiences and you still do the same stupid stuff like this.

Prager University topic: 'Happiness is a moral obligation.'

2009-12-17T12:51:00.000-08:00

Prager University topic: 'Happiness is a moral obligation.'
Happy people make the world BETTER, unhappy people makes the world WORSE.
LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PragerUniversity#p/u/5/gQqJvfh9irs

Many 'flim-flam' narcissistic Jacka$$ 'secure the borders' organization leaders.

2009-11-22T11:49:00.000-08:00

Unfortunately, myself and many other activists (I personally know) are now
disillusioned good folks who have been seriously burned-out by Calif mismanaged
militantly opposing organizations (S.ave O.ur S.tate -vs- N.o M.ore I.nvasion
-vs- F.ight B.ack I.n S.acto -vs- S.ave O.ur S.tate/info).

These are controlled by narcissistic Jacka$$es mugging for the camera. All smoke
and no fire. ORG Members who don't robotically agree with or have NOT fallen for
the koolaide drinking hive group-think in these pathetic cults are routinely
forum banned, lowering the group's intelligence or discussion bar for these
petty groups and their clone brain forum posting membership.
Then, narcissistic Jacka$$es secretly & privately do everything they can to
forum banned these "enemies" for their own personal egotistic reasons. These
sick cheating folks then send out unsubstantiated libelous emails to many
'secure the borders' activists just to smear others who are still fighting The
Mission.

My friends are struggling to keep active and positive in our mission activities,
even though its currently very difficult. There is so many 'flim-flam'
narcissistic Jacka$$es mugging organizations that are around to snare the naive
and unsuspecting which are lead by rank unprofessional amateurs who put up a
website, crash other people's events, push their way in front of the camera and
bull$hit their way onto TV for the fleeting media spotlight. Some 'might and
possibly' be even petty failed CostCo food sample giving actresses trying to run
for AIP governor candidate's position or SF Valley head bloddied alcholic taxi
company dispatchers or indigent sign truck driver's from Sacramento. I'm sick of
this.

Hitler RANTS about OBAMA Healthcare and Right Wingers

2009-10-14T21:18:00.000-07:00

CAUTION HUGE Video SATIRE AREAD:

Hitler RANTS about OBAMA Healthcare and Right Wingers

Letter to Obama about traveling in Mexico

2009-10-14T16:40:00.000-07:00

Dear President Obama
I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S.into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this. I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas,passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy the Mexican President, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying onthe top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from Mexican president to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already doall these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Mexican president won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely. However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail hunting with Dick Cheney. Thank you so much for your kind help.
Sincerely,

@#$%^^&@#

Nightengale being sued for deceitful misrepresentation of 2010 AIP candidate

2009-10-11T09:17:00.000-07:00

Re: Nightengale being sued for deceitful misrepresentation of 2010 AIP candidate
IS THIS RESPONSE SUPPOSED TO MAKE VOTERS FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE CANDIDDATE? I don't think it will.
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RE: Nightengale being sued 4 deceitful misrepresentation of 2010 AIPcandidate????
Dear Minutemen - I write to you as the Vice-Chairman of the American IndependentParty regarding the information in the e-mails noted below
-1) Chelene Nightingale is a announced American Independent Party candidate forthe governors office in 2010. She, as with any other AIP candidate, does not need the approval of the AIP Central Committee to campaign for office. The idea of being sued for announcing as a candidate of the AIP is utterly ridiculous but it is in keeping with the actions of Mark Robinson who, falsely below, claims to be the AIP Chairman.
2) The truth regarding the current reality of the AIP can be found at a website which I created - TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. This site alsodocuments the corruption of numerous other persons including Mark Robinson.
3) Separate from the e-mails below I can tell you that the AIP, and the nationalConstitution Party of which it is the California affiliate, is the onlypolitical party which has no compromise in supporting the goals of theMinutemen. You will find that Chelene Nightingale is in total harmony with the needs, aims, and goals of the Minutemen. Please investigate her campaign foryourself. You will find that what I have said is true.
Don Grundmann, Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch ofthe Constitution Party
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In saveoursanity2@yahoogroups.com, "s" wrote:>> Chelene Nightengale being sued for deceitful misrepresentation of 2010 AIPcandidate for CA governor.>>

From: Patriotic Warrior> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:33 AM>> Hello sir, Is Chelene Nightingale the AIP's candidate for Governor of California?> Thank you for your time.> ->>

From: Markham (mark@...)> Sent: Thu 8/20/09 9:34 AM> To: 'Patriotic Warrior'>> No. The primary hasn't been held yet. We will be endorsing someone else forGovernor. A tiny group calling themselves a "Branch of the Constitution Party"has endorsed her.>> She never approached the AIP State Central Committee. It is fraudulent for her to use our name. We will be demanding in forceful terms that she cease and desist this deceitful representation.>> Markham Robinson,
AIP Chairman> www.aipca.org> www.selfgovernment.us> www.aipnews.com> www.aipnews.com/affiliate.asp-

Retired Veterans Fight ON, One More Time !

2009-10-11T08:55:00.000-07:00

Today- Veteran’s Land Theft
The country has thousands of patriotic veterans. And you can regularly see many “Welcome Home” banners carefully and lovingly placed on many freeways over crossings notifying drivers that another veteran has arrived home from foreign war service. With the many International news covering the Iraq and Afghanistan war zones, our numbers of local veterans will grow larger. Many, if not all, of those veterans will be using the Veterans Hospital in Sawtell West Los Angeles for their health needs. That complex is the largest veteran’s center west of the Rocky Mountains.

Many of those veterans and their families don’t know about the huge battle between local land developers and the Veteran’s Administration over the hospital lands. Veterans Park Conservancy (VPC), (not a Veterans organization) is a special-interest Brentwood homeowners group, has manipulated a no-bid, rent-free agreement with the VA to build a public park on 16 acres of veteran’s center land. This parcel of veteran’s land at the corner of Wilshire and San Vicente Boulevards and is arguably the most valuable parcel on the West Coast. It is estimated to be worth nearly a billion dollars. It’s estimated land value is by thousands of dollars per square INCH. Still, not one penny will go to veterans or their healthcare services at the largest VA healthcare center in our nation. It is outrageous that neighboring Brentwood residents who live in multi-million dollar homes are not content with their good fortune that they would covet and scheme to confiscate veteran’s hospital land for a park and entertainment center, while more than 20,000 veterans are homeless, even though this is their rightful Sawtell “Home”. As holding 81+ consecutive Sunday Rallies (I-4 PM) as proof of their steady loyalty to their mission of protecting, preserving and defending the Los Angeles National Veterans Home against establishment of a park and other abuse and misuse that the VA has shamelessly facilitated. Every Sunday, ‘The Veterans Revolution’ is a team of fellow retired veterans in ages of 70s and 80s staunchly protest that refuse to fade away from this patriotic weekly Sunday picket duty. “Save Our Veterans Land!” “No Public Park!” and “Shame on the VA” are the ringing chants of The Veteran’s Revolution at one of the busiest street intersections in West Los Angeles.

History- “Angeles National Veteran’s Home”
This largest VA healthcare Sawtell center in the nation started on March 2, 1887, the Forty-Ninth Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, assembled and approved an Act of Congress: ”That the Board of Managers of the National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers are hereby authorized, empowered, and directed to locate, establish, construct, and permanently maintain a branch of said National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers to be by such Board located at such place in the States west of the Rocky Mountains as to said Board shall appear most desirable and advantageous.” The Congressional Act of 1887 stipulates: “That all honorably discharged soldiers and sailors who served in the regular and volunteer forces of the United States, and who are disabled by disease, wounds, or otherwise, and who have no adequate means of support, and by reason of such disability are incapable of earning their living, shall be entitled to be admitted to said home for disabled volunteer soldiers, subject to like regulations as they are now admitted to existing branches of the National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers.” On March 3, 1888, in compliance with the Congressional Act of 1887, John P. Jones and Arcadia B. de Baker, deeded and entrusted 300 acres of some of the most desirable and advantageous land in Los Angeles to the United States Government with the restated promise that the land was “to be permanently maintained as a National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers.” John P. Jones and Arcadia B. de Baker to jointly donate hundreds of acres to the U.S. government to be permanently maintained as a National Home for Disabled Soldiers and to further ensure that there never would be a “homeless” veteran.
For over a century, every person honored the Congressional Act of 1887 by faithfully protecting and preserving the many land acres in West Los Angeles that were deeded as a permanent National Home for America's Military veterans to convalesce and rehabilitate. For decades, America's citizenry and their elected public servants respected this national trust as a peaceful sanctuary of privacy and quiet rest for veterans to heal from war at Angeles National Veteran’s Home. That has changed for the worse, today. Unfortunately, humanitarian priorities and moral responsibilities have changed over recent years as this hallowed Angeles National Veterans Home’s land has been pillaged, plundered and prostituted away to the highest commercial bidder and even given away “rent free” to special interest groups, and always with the blessing of devious politicians and dubious VA bureaucrats and at the painful expense of America's military veterans. Today however, those who have benefited and prospered from these heroic warrior’s war sacrifices want to use this hallowed land for Veterans Park Conservancy’s own selfish Brentwood amusement and entertainment. And Veterans Park Conservancy accomplishes it audaciously and irreverently toward warrior lands rightful use.

JOIN- “The Veteran’s Revolution”

Now, a relentless coalition of fellow veterans have organized into “The Veteran’s Revolution” to take keep this historic land only for veterans and to enforce the Congressional Act and Deed to insure the legacy of this 121 year-old Angeles National Veteran’s Home national treasure. Armed with nothing more than their enthusiastic loyalty, American flags and a 15-foot banner that says "Save Our Veteran’s Land," with a document titled the "Declaration of Enforcement" to uphold the promise of the Deed of 1888, they have faithfully gathered every Sunday for the past 81+ weeks in front of the veteran’s home in West Los Angeles to defend their sacred land that was a gift donated by two American Patriots, Senator Jones and Lady de Baker. The Veteran Revolution’s “Old Guard" proudly serves to protect, preserve and defend “Our National Veteran’s Home,” not only for the sole purpose of today's veterans to heal from war, but for future generations of America's Military veterans as well. Leading The Veterans Revolution are dedicated World War II and Korean War Veterans who are aged in 70s and 80s, while the younger sentries are aged in 50s and 60s and served during the Vietnam War. These loyal Ventura patriots who once served in separate branches of the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard while defending our national homeland, now stand shoulder-to-shoulder defending their National Veteran’s Home land. Others attending here are family of loved ones who served in the military. Members of this Ventura county “Old Guard,” who drive from 40- 50 miles every Sunday to participate, selflessly dedicate every Sunday for the noble cause to "Save Our Veteran’s Land". Plato forewarned more than 2500 years ago which “Only the dead have seen the end of war”. Consequently, this Angeles National Veteran’s Home must always be protected and preserved to care for future veterans to heal. The “Old Guard” is adamant that there will never be a Brentwood wanted park on this sacred land and it will not be abused and misused by the VA and their Brentwood cronies, certainly not on their watch. The Sunday rally gatherings takes place at the Northeast corner of Wilshire and San Vicente Boulevards in front of the Los Angeles National Veterans Home, which is adjacent to the (affluent) community of Brentwood. Concerned residents and veterans may join them on any Sunday to help in their patriotic informational pricket and their personal cause to protect Angeles National Veteran’s Home! (Sundays 1-4 PM meet at corner of Wilshire and San Vicente Boulevards in West Los Angeles.)

I told you so about SOS and FBIS and "AG" Rodriques

2009-10-11T08:42:00.000-07:00

Sneaky oily Davi Rodriques of FBIS/SOS2 sham on folks

Subject: I told you so about SOS and FBIS and "AG" Rodriques

'AG' Fight Back in Sacto was/is really SOS 2 and it's now confirmed by the LIAR & hypocrite Davi FBIS Rodriques, their boss.

Just in.
I knew this info about SOS not renewing it's not-for-profit status over a year ago. I sent emails to concerned people of that BIG fact. I told people so, months ago. Now my intelligence work has been proved right...confirmed right out of the FBIS ass's lying mouth.

AG posted on his FBIS forums:Save Our State To Rise Again
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Greetings Fellow Former Save Our State Members,
I'm going to make several announcements over the next few weeks in regards to Joe Turner's Save Our State.

First announcement is, Joseph Turner let the Save Our State corporation get suspended by the California Secretary of State which administers corporations in California. In order to keep a California corporation active, it's chairpersons, directors, or president must make yearly filings. These were not done, and in fact were long overdue.
With the corporation in suspension, I applied for, and received Save Our State. My name is now the name on record of control of the Corporation Save Our State. You may view the current and future documents as we progress in relation to this here:
http://publicdocumentdistributors.co...read.php/?t=190

Save Our State will be operated in a legitimate manner from this point forward. All legal filings will be made in a timely manner, and those required to be made publicly available for review will also be done in a timely manner.
Save Our State will choose officers, a governing board, and an advisory board to the corporation as required by law, and operated in an above board manner from this point forward.
The second portion of the Save Our State Corporation is the Charitable 501c3 status. I have researched the filings that Joe Turner either has, or has not made in relation to the charitable status of the organization, and thus far the California Attorney General's office has been unable to find where Joe Turner had complied with any filings necessary to enable him to call Save Our State a charitable corporation in California. I am continuing my research into this matter, as I believe it is important to disclose to those people who donated or were swayed by a stated charitable status to volunteer goods or services, that those efforts, goods, or services were given to a legitimate charitable corporation. At this time, I am making filings to properly obtain Save Our State's charitable status as a 501c3 Charitable corporation from both the federal, and state government. Once again, you will be able to follow our progress on the link provided above. At this time, we are not soliciting donations.
The Attorney General's office has a link for anyone to guide them when giving to a charity:
http://ag.ca.gov/charities/charit_giving.php

As you may know, the SaveOurState.org website is still operating under who-knows-who's direction. In addition, the Save Our State.org website continues to advertise they are a Charitable California 501c3 corporation, and are soliciting donations. see this link:http://www.saveourstate.org//index.p...pper&Itemid=26

We do not know who is the beneficiary of those solicitations. At present we are contacting the representatives listed to notify them they are infringing upon Save Our State's corporate entity.
Again, there will be more on this as we progress. We are continuing our investigation into the past operations of Save Our State, its' corporate officers, and its managing director in an effort to clear the respectable members, or disclose any improprieties. We hope to restore a once proud and recognized name in the immigration law enforcement movement in California, and regain the trust of those who have been active in that regard.
Sincerely
Davi Anthony Rodrigues Save Our State PO Box 160965 Sacramento, CA 95816-0965

Davi@SaveOurState.info

Isn't it odd what happens in 2010 gubernatorial politics?

2009-09-14T12:11:00.000-07:00

Isn't it odd what happens in politics? People change and will do just about anything that they would NOT do or say, otherwise. Take Chelene Nightengale 2010 running for California Governor on the American Independent Party slate.
Things are odd.....
July 4th '09, near the US/Mexico border at Patriot's Point an patriotic event was held. Ms. Chelene Nightengale used this event to announce her 2010 gubernatorial candidacy. LINK:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=55BKljocv5I

Then Tom Tancredo spoke. LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lGuiMN7fMg

Tom Tancredo and Chelene Nightengale spoke at the same event from the same podium, one after the other ????
That's VERY puzzling, because:
1. Jim Gilchrist personally endorsed Gov. Huckabee for president.
2. Tom Tancredo personally endorsed Gov. Romney for president.
(PS...Chuck Norris and Ca. Rep. Duncan Hunter endorsed Gov. Huckabee for president.)

It is well known that Chelene Nightengale was militantly for Ron Paul. She stated publicly over and over that she was disgusted with Gilchrist stating and supporting Gov Huckabee for President. She stated to all that she won't support or be connected to any person who was a Gov. Huckabee or Gov Romney supporter in the illegal alien immigration movement. Because of that she was and is militantly anti-Gilchrist and MMP. She would not allow any Jim Gilchrist or MMP news matters to be discussed or even published at the org she was staffing.
**But now, Tancredo and Nightengale were BOTH there at July 4th Patriot's Point event. HHHHmmmmmm.
The apparent contradiction of endorsement facts makes you think.

Also, on endorsements, if you go to the Nightengale for Governor site 'endorsement' page, you will strangely see the San Diego MinuteMen leader, Jeff Schwilk's Nightengale for Governor video endorsement (hosted on the Brook 'watchdog' Young's You TUbe site) LINK:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS3VujZqV5Q

But, AGAIN, Ms Nightengale loudly said that she would have nothing 'to do' with Mr Schwilk because he was a girlfriend 'beater' in front of children, assaulter of others and a convicted woman abuser and libeler. BUT now San Diego MinuteMen leader, Jeff Schwilk is making video for Nightengale candidacy and those endorsement videos are used on 2010 Nightengale's for Governor AIP site.
It's interesting.....huh ??!!??
AIP still has to vote on who their nominee is. There is a good chance she won't even make the cut. In the meantime, she can live off of her donors- whoever they are. AIP still hasn't had their convention to officially endorse Nightengale, YET.
While speaking to 3000 listening people in Oceanside, this mother of one is running on the Constitution Party (?) ticket, and points out that she "is not a career politician."
Nightingale discusses California´s future at rally in Oceanside, article LINK:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/118194

Talk about charlatans....

Isn't it odd what happens in politics?

2009-09-14T11:42:00.000-07:00

Isn't it odd what happens in politics? People change and will do just about anything that they would NOT do or say, otherwise.

Take Chelene Nightengale 2010 running for California Governor on the American Independent Party slate.

Things are odd.....

July 4th '09, near the US/Mexico border at Patriot's Point an patriotic event was held. Ms. Chelene Nightengale used this event to announce her 2010 gubernatorial candidacy.
(Copy & paste into your browser window)
LINK: www.youtube.com/watch?v=55BKljocv5I

Then Tom Tancredo spoke.
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LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lGuiMN7fMg

Tom Tancredo and Chelene Nightengale spoke at the same event from the same podium, one after the other ????
That's VERY puzzling, because:
1. Jim Gilchrist personally endorsed Gov. Huckabee for president.
2. Tom Tancredo personally endorsed Gov. Romney for president.
(PS...Chuck Norris and Ca. Rep. Duncan Hunter endorsed Gov. Huckabee for president.

It is well known that Chelene Nightengale was militantly for Ron Paul. She stated publicly over and over that she was disgusted with Gilchrist stating and supporting Gov Huckabee for President. She stated to all that she won't support or be connected to any person who was a Gov. Huckabee or Gov Romney supporter in the illegal alien immigration movement. Because of that she was and is militantly anti-Gilchrist and MMP. She would not allow any Jim Gilchrist or MMP news matters to be discussed or even published at the org she was staffing.
**But now, Tancredo and Nightengale were BOTH there at July 4th Patriot's Point event.
HHHHmmmmmm. The apparent contradiction of endorsement facts makes you think.
Also, on endorsements, if you go to the Nightengale for Governor site 'endorsement' page, you will strangely see the San Diego MinuteMen leader, Jeff Schwilk's Nightengale for Governor video endorsement (hosted on the Brook 'watchdog' Young's You TUbe site).
(Copy & paste into your browser window)
LINK: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS3VujZqV5Q

But, AGAIN, Ms Nightengale loudly said that she would have nothing 'to do' with Mr Schwilk because he was a girlfriend 'beater' in front of children, assaulter of others and a convicted woman abuser and libeler. BUT now San Diego MinuteMen leader, Jeff Schwilk is making video for Nightengale candidacy and those endorsement videos are used on 2010 Nightengale's for Governor AIP site.

It's interesting.....huh ??!!??

AIP still has to vote on who their nominee is. There is a good chance she won't even make the cut. In the meantime, she can live off of her donors- whoever they are. AIP still hasn't had their convention to officially endorse Nightengale, YET
RECENTLY, in Oceanside Ca, this mother of one is running on the Constitution Party (?) ticket, and points out that she

"is not a career politician."

"Nightingale discusses California´s future at rally in Oceanside"
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LINK: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/118194

Off her election site it says,

QUOTE- She can become the "Sarah Palin of California" and so much better that Americans will say: "We need more Governor Chelene Nightingales". This will make all women proud to say that "the best ever elected is a woman!" UNQUOTE

Isn't it odd what happens in politics? People change and will do just about anything that they would NOT do or say, otherwise.

Washington DC 09-12-09 tax revolt=s 2 million people

2009-09-12T18:49:00.000-07:00

Washington DC 09-12-09 tax revolt=s 2 million people

Stop Govt. Socialism, NOW !

2009-09-07T10:48:00.000-07:00

Video:

Shawna Forde is a member of Chelene Save Our State & her buddie.

2009-08-20T14:40:00.000-07:00

This was emailed to me...

"You know, crazy can be fun to watch at times. Chelene is running around pretending that Shawna Forde is a surprise. This is too funny.

Shawna Forde is a member of Save Our State (SOS member BorderHawk). That is how I met her. She attended a border event with her BorderHawks co-founder Michael Williams. You all know Michael Williams as AZPatriot of Save Our State. Mr. Williams was the webmaster for SOS and was introduced to me by Ms. Nightingale as her "closest personal friend" at SOS.

Mr. Williams is an unemployed convicted felon (Burglary, breaking and entering, and receiving stolen property) which is why (by his own admission) he never joined the Minuteman Project. **<-- Fact not rumor

You may all know Mr. Williams, Ms. Forde, and Ms. Nightingale from their countless emails asking for donations to aide in the search for Ms. Forde's daughter who was "kidnapped by the Russian Mob", which was prominently advertised on Save Our State's forum and webpage for weeks in spite of warnings from the Seattle Police Dept. that it was a fraud. **<-- Fact not rumor

As I understand it, Ms. Nightingale's claim that Jim "refused to believe" that Shawna was involved in murder and robbery actually makes sense. Jim didn't know Shawna very well and it stands to reason that he was surprised. But, why then was Chelene and her #2 boy at SOS working so closely with Shawna if they knew just how crazy she actually is? In fact, nobody except for Jim has expressed surprise at the revelation that Ms. Forde is a murdering former prostitute fraud nutjob (allegedly on some of that).

Now, perhaps Chelene didn't actually care enough about SOS to purge Ms. Forde and Mr. Williams from the ranks, but surely our Governor to be had to put two and two together while she was sleeping on Michael's couch (technically his parent's couch) after becoming homeless (**see - she lost her house and consequently her rock star unemployed husband). Governor Chelene had to know something was up when she saw Mr. Williams and Ms. Forde dating. I know Michael denies this now, but the truth is the truth. We all saw them together at Vigellance-a-palooza.

So, to recap;

Chelene's buddy, webmaster, and temporary landlord is a known convicted felon who started a group with another SOS member (**also a convicted felon), but Jim is to blame for Shawna's prominence in the Border Movement. (**Funny enough, Chelene's buddy probably would have been in on Shawna's home invasion plan if he had somebody to mooch the gas money off of.) Chelene isn't surprised that Shawna is a nut job yet Shawna is a member of her beloved SOS. Chelene never once asked Shawna to leave any SOS function nor did she mind sharing a brew with her at the border, but Jim is to blame for Shawna.

Well, I agree with Ms. Nightingale on one thing. Murder IS a serious thing, but Ms. Nightingale is not and anybody who takes her seriously needs a CAT scan immediately.

It is important that everybody know the truth, but it is also important to note that all of the bickering and infighting is exactly what Chelene wants. It is what allows her to constantly slip through the cracks as she defames patriots by spreading rumor and innuendo. Yeah, Jim got duped by Shawna, but so did everyone else who never kicked her ass off the border or out of their orgs. But, as far as I can tell, Chelene was the only person who KNOWINGLY condoned Ms. Forde.

So, that you don't think I am totally full of crap, ask yourself if ANY of these sound familiar. Here is a partial list of Chelene's lies;

1) She has "SEEN" the proof that the hijackers are right (**she denied ever saying this in court)
2) Ray Herrera embarrassed her and the Ramos family in TX when Nacho surrendered
3) Ray Herrera and Robin are not true Christians (**as she is) because they left their spouses for each other
4) Ted Hayes was told by her and his friend Rhonda to get a job but would rather be homeless
5) Steve Eichler and Jim Gilchrist are the gay half children of Satan
6) William Gheen frivolously spends his donors money on "the biggest suite in the place" at the DC event and in Phoenix at the Ramos & Compean rally (**among others)
7) That March for America founder Jonnie Crivello was "sniveling" and power hungry
8) That Cheryl Burns and those who supported Chuck Baldwin were delusional and stealing Ron Paul's votes
9) She stated that she would never work with Jeff Schwilk because he is abusive to women

Believe me, the list goes on and you KNOW that you have heard her say these things and/or things like them. But, you know now that I think about it this was all probably Jim's fault.

One other thing, let's do a quick comparison;

Jim - Decorated war vet, co-wrote a book, launched the NATIONAL illegal immigration movement, 4000+ media appearances, endorsement sought by Presidential Candidate, head of Minuteman Project, Congressional candidate, married for 30+ years, and retired professional.

Chelene - Divorced, homeless, took SOS from 4000+ members to 10, never ran for ANY office, last job was handing out cheese in a supermarket (<-- True Story), pretends to be a model and actress yet has no credits or body of work, never served in uniform, no volunteer or activist resume, never founded anything.

And for the record, I am not a Minuteman and do not owe Jim nor anyone else a thing. I am not part of his (**or any) camp. So, don't try to belabor the truth by pretending that only one group sees through this crap. In fact, we all do.

Yes, everyone in these petty squabbles looks silly including Jim, but he has earned more in his lifetime than Chelene is even capable of recognizing. And the only reason that any of you fault Jim at all is because you expected more from him than you expect from Chelene. So, why are we supposed to vote for her again? Case closed."

'THEY' won the election, they have underestimated us....

2009-08-11T21:07:00.000-07:00

They have underestimated us...

Town Halls summer of '09 and listening to the voters.

2009-08-11T21:03:00.000-07:00

AARP town Hall meeting closed for too MUCH members participation.

The SF Valley Congressman Brad Sherman (D) ‘Dog & Pony Show’ town Meeting goes from good to silly to hostile.

""This was the first time I have attended an event like this since my collage days way back when. I remember those events to be vastly different. And I am one of those strange people who enjoy watching the weekly Public Open Comments at the LA City Council meetings for the drama, information and sometimes entertainment value. So last night was going to be essentially a good night out even if I heard or saw some matters that didn’t interest me. I was ready.
I had received this Town Hall Meeting notice through my email. **How a Democratic email list got my email has got me slightly angry because I protect my email jealousy. Well onto the night….

I arrived early to get a seat in the large High School auditorium. Sherman aides and interns were busy in the lobby pushing the Congressman’s mailing list. They were telling people to fill out information cards so they could hear from him. I am sorry, I must say I was more interested in being sure I could ask a question of Sherman and have some snacks. I was given a one ticket because there was to be a orderly line for the question period. The early lower number tickets had a better chance to speak and be heard by the Congressman. I sat down and the auditorium was only 1/3 full and most people there were the ‘retired’ crowd so I couldn’t tell what their mood was. I saw one fellow wearing a Home Depot store t-shirt caught my eye and I overheard some three folks near me whispered, ‘How bad illegals have loused up LA’. I did not recognize them. Later two members found me and I was given five more ‘question Sherman’ tickets to help my chances. We all moved to the front of Sherman's view. I also noticed that Time Warner cable was taping this meeting and we were told that it would be shown in the SF Valley cable system ‘On Demand’ channel for free. I saw NO other media there except a lone consumer video camera set up by a civilian.

Finally we started, Sherman came out and told us about his committee responsibilities on Congress. He is involved with a science, insurance and a third committee in Congress. Most of his committees were small ‘potatoes’ I guess since he has only been in Congress for 10 years now. He is a very blabby fellow. I then recognized that he was a democratic member of the Congressional Immigration Fact Finding Meeting that was in San Diego and Texas. He was on CNN in San Diego when he started his participation with those meetings saying, ‘These meetings are a waste of time and money. This is merely a Dog & Pony Show!’ and then did not actively participate in the meetings investigations. I thought he displayed a real crappy attitude and unbounded arrogance to his fellow Congressman, the State officials testifying, the voters attending and the CNN national audience. (Some members attended those San Diego meetings in person.) With that attitude, I wondered if he thought the same of this town hall meeting too? Sherman asked people to have a short simple question and keep the complicated long questions to a minimum.

Finally, he got to the question time. He had the people who had Sherman staff initialed ‘question asking tickets’ to speak first. These folks took 90% of the time. They were a combination of legitimate questions from problems, long ranting statements with no questions, ‘tin-foil hat’ speakers, and shouts from the frustrated members of the audience. We had a questioner who spoke for Hesbolla in the Israeli conflict saying that the Israeli army response was too harsh. We had a local businessman complain about how he is in the bulk mailing business and if they close the Canoga Park post office where his office is, he will be forced to spend more time and money driving 7 miles to the Van Nuys PO station to mail his mail. We heard from the 9-11 conspiracy theorists, a ‘Cindy Sheehan’ wannabee on Iraq, social security, import tariffs and a lady’s emotional impressions of the Twin Towers falling almost six years ago with no apparent question. Then ticket numbers called forth were only in the first ten digits from the tickets given out tonight. Some shorter matters covered were truck delivering at night only for easier freeway traffic alla ’84 Olympics, Sherman’s abstentions and voting record, health care issues with ‘shingles’ vaccine, would Sherman debate his Republican opponent (Yes), veteran’s pensions, and **LASTLY immigration**. We were deep into overtime, and we were told that we had to close. It looked like the illegal problem was not going to be addressed by ‘Open Borders D- voting report card' Sherman. The last person in line to speak, a lady was bringing up a related problem with closing hospitals due to illegals not paying their bills and overcrowding. Well, hallelujah….Finally.

Sherman started to ‘tap dance’ around the issue sarcastically saying:
that at the border there are two big signs. One says ‘DO NOT ENTER’ and the other one says, ‘HELP WANTED’ and then he smiled at the listening crowd.

At this point a gentleman yelled out, ‘That’s no answer. Where do you stand on the issue!’

Sherman started to ‘tap dance’ more.

Then our friends yelled out, ‘You're the one who called the Congressional Hearings in San Diego a ‘Dog and Pony Show. I know because I was there!’

Sherman repeated his San Diego response again with, ‘It was a show…and there were some very dirty dogs and some very ugly ponies!’

The audience gentleman then said additionally, ‘You insult the voters. Shame on you! I am not voting for you!’

A well dressed black woman sitting quietly through all this asked Sherman, ‘Why did you vote for such-and-such open borders bill? I am an immigration lawyer and you are wrong to vote ‘for’ that bill, Congressman." I got the idea that the lawyer next to me was anti-illegal and was for the naturalization process to be supported. She told me that there should not be any amnesty because it caused much more problems since ’84.

At this time, the question time was abruptly closed and chaos ruled. Hoards of people were rushing the Congressman’s area and I decided to leave quickly due to it was very very late for me. I got my ticket initialed by a Sherman staffer and I was told they didn’t know what date would be the next meeting.
Perhaps I will return because my typed questions were very much more appropriate and concise than some of the personal rantings I heard tonight. Those rantings did not speak well for John Q. Public’s discerning mind and voting choices. I probably should have networked with those couple of anti-illegal folks in the audience, but I spaced around then.

I left the meeting feeling it was very entertaining, and small waste of some of my time.[b] I learned how Sherman thinks with his ‘In the Clinton years everything was great’ hardcore Democrat myopia. He can’t see past his political party to the welfare of the nation. That is a REAL problem.[/b] The political parties are too busy beating each other than accomplishing something beneficial for the voters. Sherman is a real ‘enough of you talking, I have to talk about me’ politician/lawyer. And he was the only ‘Dog’ or ‘Pony’ I saw that night! ""

The SF Valley Congressman Brad Sherman (D) ‘Dog & Pony Show’ town Meeting goes from good to silly to hostile.

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They work for us, NOT the other way round.
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Be respectful but be adamant with facts !
Call your local Congressional reps and schedule a meeting at their offices NOW !

Funny olde Sam but not now!

2009-08-11T20:58:00.000-07:00

I don't agree with the poltics of the video's maker, but the video is just plain funny. If you know sam as I did, this is vintage Sam in the good olde days, NOT NOW !

Chelene SOS-running for Governor 2010 Nightengale LIES !!!!

2009-08-11T20:49:00.000-07:00

California Governor Candidate 2010 lies on camera to naive voter about her Save Our State events that she in in charge of.

BEWARE: Corrupt Doings at "FBIS" org or Fight Back in Sacramento .org and forums.

2009-08-05T12:12:00.000-07:00

Corrupt Doings at "FBIS" org or Fight Back in Sacramento .org and forums. Self examining the FBIS membership list showing that many SOS staffers are now INSIDE and welcomed in Fight Back in Sact.

While good hundreds activists are disgruntled and disillusioned victims of Save Our State staff censorship, corruption & member's banning for the unpardonable crime of voicing a differing opinion and those good activists suffered under the vindictive & capricious vendetta of it's female leader; another new .org was started named 'Fight Back in Sacramento'. Unfortunately, this new .org has many of the same corrupt leadership vindictive earmarks and uses their leadership positions against any vocal general patriotic members that point out the .orgs leadership corruption there. Members are not allowed to review the leadership's actions by voicing their opposiog views are attacking its members. When those good folks are black-balled or marginalized, I could see that that org was a popularity cult.

***And their discussion forum's moderating team is conducting a repessive vendetta against ANY individuals who are members of Minuteman Project forums or speak up for the MMP on those forums or defend those MMP members that speak up to correct the fraud record on those discussion FBIS boards. The FBIS Staff do not like anything Gilchrist exactly like that other dying Turner org.***

Taking a page from the SOS fickle forum staff crimes on members, 'FBIS' forums have many mysterious covert administrative handle accounts to hide any accountability for their Gestapo actions and even one FBIS administrative handle account that THREE covert anonymous staff members can use for their member's censorship of any posted opinions and the restriction of good members free & open use of their Freedom of Speech. Also like that 'other' corrupt org, 'FIBS' has a 'purgatory' section for holding bannished uncooperative members that is open for all to see and post on for even more public punitive mocking of those deamed 'not of the .org'. That just disgusts me to know how hard it is to motivate folks to do things to better their neighborhoods against illegal aliens and have some ignorant meglomaniacs destroy that inniative of activists. I know of many good folks that got banned and that put our efforts in the trash heap. We are still suffering from that today. Some folks left permanently, and many are disillusioned will never join-up again. That is why I think this matter is a cancer on our movement and needs to be cut-out and not easily dismissed (Amnesty for org corruption anyone?). Anyone who was party to those deeds should make a clear admission of doing so and tell all who will listen the whole hidden facts about the unfair injustice that they saw or accomplished on their 'watch'. Then it's not hidden or censored. And the vicitms can get final fairness and make a informed decision on these matters. Informed people should know that this new org is just SOS clone or Part 2 with regurgitating it's many secret punitive actions towards good people (stalking, smearing, banishment, or outright banning of members). Self examining the FBIS membership list showing that many SOS staffers are now INSIDE and welcomed in Fight Back in Sact.

SOS staff
SOS

Arizona Patriot * Mike Williams SOS staff, webmaster
AyatollahGondola * Davi Rodriques, SOS staff, AdM
Bonfire * SOS staff, AdM- Tecate Volnteers- leader
kjl * 'jeanfromFilmore' SOS staff, events
REWHBLCAIN * Mark Cain SOS staff, AdM
LAPhil * SOS staff, AdM
PochoPatriot * SOS staff, AdM
StokeyBob * SOS staff, AdM
1inchgroup * SOS staff, AdM
Rim05 * SOS staff
Dawes * SOS staff-
Cat Patrol * SOS
DARSACRAMENTO * SOS
DerailAmnesty.com * Sam 'SZinWestLA' Zilsman
Freedom Rings * SOS
joazinha * SOS
ohighlass * SOS
Reportanddeport * SOS
Sierrapatriot * SOS
True Blue * SOS
borderwatch * SOS
sandinator * SOS

What happened to you 'Crazy' Christie C ??

2009-07-22T10:48:00.001-07:00

'Crazy' Christie C answers: "What really happened to you?"

*I have been stalked physically and electronically for over 2 years.
*These claimants who file false reports about me (Jeff Schwilk, Jim Stachowiak and Celeste Diedre Bonds Cortes) have threatened to kill me, have filed false reports which led to another investigation and ultimate raid on my house after they committed a crime I refused to participate in after I exposed a sex trafficking ring run by the city

*Have threatened to poison me, my children and my housemate
*Have threatened to steal my children and take them across the border to sell
*Have been attacked with non lethal weapons that burned me and my children
*Was completely disabled
*I have been shot at
*I have been beat up physically
*My children and I have been burned with DEW's (Directed energy weapons)

*I have been set up for multiple crimes
*Computer hacked and phone bugged
*My house broken into multiple times, bank account defrauded more than once to the tune of 7 thousand dollars. All family heirlooms stolen from my home in the middle of the day.
*Posted my personal information online and radio broadcasts repeatedly to encourage others to pay me a visit.
*Have made 37 fake youtube sites impersonating or slandering me.
*Have made dozens of videos making false claims
*Have actually reported these fake crimes to intelligence agencies
*Have had multiple sites taken down due to false reports by those trying to conceal their crimes
*Have been harassed by police and other law enforcement due to these false reports
*Have been pulled over and searched of all my belongings and detained for 12 hours trying to move to a safe place due to an anonymous report that I was a terrorist and carrying contraband and/or bombs

*Have been investigated by multiple agencies including Child Protective Services because of these false claims
*My car has been vandalized numerous times
*My car was completely dismantled (totaled) in front of my house
*Dead pets left on my front door
*Attempted arson to my house
*Have been to court (and won EVERY TIME) due to these false allegations
*My domain names were hijacked and directed to other sites
*I have been denied help from multiple law enforcement agencies
*I have been denied restraining orders even when video evidence of me being physically beaten was presented

*I was set up by falling for a story of a mother who lost her children and needed a nice place to live so she had a chance of getting them back and drove her to her anger management and personality skills and English classes who stole and highjacked everything she could get a hold of and terrorized our lives after the police had to escort her off our property for threats against myself, my children, a housemate and friend
*They have attacked, threatened and slandered anyone who dares talk to me
*They have called harassed and threatened congressional candidates that I have worked for or did raido Internet shows with.

What happened to you 'Crazy' Christie C ??

2009-07-22T10:48:00.000-07:00

Christie Janelle Czajkowski is the Owner & Administrator of Truth Brigade.com. answers: "What really happened to you?"

I have been stalked physically and electronically for over 2 years.
These claimants who file false reports about me (Jeff Schwilk, Jim Stachowiak and Celeste Diedre Bonds Cortes) have threatened to kill me, have filed false reports which led to another investigation and ultimate raid on my house after they committed a crime I refused to participate in after I exposed a sex trafficking ring run by the city

Have threatened to poison me, my children and my housemate
Have threatened to steal my children and take them across the border to sell
Have been attacked with non lethal weapons that burned me and my children
Was completely disabled
I have been shot at
I have been beat up physically
My children and I have been burned with DEW's (Directed energy weapons)

I have been set up for multiple crimes
Computer hacked and phone bugged
My house broken into multiple times, bank account defrauded more than once to the tune of 7 thousand dollars. All family heirlooms stolen from my home in the middle of the day.
Posted my personal information online and radio broadcasts repeatedly to encourage others to pay me a visit.
Have made 37 fake youtube sites impersonating or slandering me.
Have made dozens of videos making false claims
Have actually reported these fake crimes to intelligence agencies
Have had multiple sites taken down due to false reports by those trying to conceal their crimes
Have been harassed by police and other law enforcement due to these false reports
Have been pulled over and searched of all my belongings and detained for 12 hours trying to move to a safe place due to an anonymous report that I was a terrorist and carrying contraband and/or bombs

Have been investigated by multiple agencies including CPS because of these false claims
My car has been vandalized numerous times
My car was completely dismantled (totaled) in front of my house
Dead pets left on my front door
Attempted arson to my house
Have been to court (and won EVERY TIME) due to these false allegations
My domain names were hijacked and directed to other sites
I have been denied help from multiple law enforcement agencies
I have been denied restraining orders even when video evidence of me being physically beaten was presented

I was set up by falling for a story of a mother who lost her children and needed a nice place to live so she had a chance of getting them back and drove her to her anger management and personality skills and English classes who stole and highjacked everything she could get a hold of and terrorized our lives after the police had to escort her off our property for threats against myself, my children, a housemate and friend
They have attacked, threatened and slandered anyone who dares talk to me
They have called harassed and threatened congressional candidates that I have worked for or did shows with.

SOS Chelene uses Ramos & Campeon families for her $$

2009-07-20T16:47:00.000-07:00

Before Chelene era, there were many early SOS good staff there. When those good folks were black-balled or marginalized along with some other common sense folks, I could see that that org was a popularity cult for just a few, then only one - Chelen Nightingale. That just disgusts me to know how hard it is to motivate folks to do things to better their neighborhoods and have some ignorant meglomaniac destroy that inniative of others.
I know of many good folks that got banned by Chelene or her 'others' and that put our efforts in the trash heap. We are still suffering from that today. Some folks left permanently.
That is why I think this matter is a cancer on our movement and needs to be cut-out and not easily dismissed (amnesty anyone?). Anyone who was party to those deeds should make a clear admission of doing so and tell all who will listen the whole hidden facts about the unfair injustice that they saw occur on their 'watch'. Then it's not hidden or censored. And the vicitms can get fairness and make a informed decision on these matters.

The main thing I have against Chelene Nightingale is how she tried to manipulate Ramos and Compean for her own purposes. She acted like she was THE spokesperson for them. She would brag to NO end on her friendship with the agents and their families, and insist that people contact them through HER, saying that she was NOT going to allow ANYONE to harm them. She DIDN'T like being REMINDED that LOTS of OTHER Americans ALSO dearly loved and appreciated Ramos and Compean and were deeply concerned about them. She even told people that they could SEND DONATIONS for the agents to HER!
When major milestone events occurred, such as the July 2008 rejection of the second appeal of Ramos and Compean or the commutation of their unjust prison terms last January, Nightingale would warn people NOT to call or email the families because of the stress these events carry (I DEFIED her ridiculous orders and phoned the Ramoses on BOTH occasions anyway! GOOD thing I DID, they were DELIGHTED to hear from me!).

However, Raymond Herrera told me that NOBODY has to go through Nightingale to contact the Ramos and Compean families, people can do that on their OWN! Mr. Loya publicized his phone number and email so that ANYONE could reach them, Ray said. Nightingale is NOT the SOLE spokesperson for the Ramos and Compean families, she is a SELF-appointed one, Ray indicated. Nightingale's false charge that Mr. Gilchrist neglected Ramos and Compean incensed me to PUBLICLY rebuke her. Of course, THAT did NOT AT ALL go over well with Nightingale. In her final email to me about my posts against her, Nightingale rasped that "anyone who uses Ramos and Compean for their personal advancement or benefit should be tarred and feathered!! They are HEROES and GREAT people may I add. I will defend the Ramos family until the end!! They are family to me and I will always be there to make sure people stop hurting them!!" (those are her EXACT words! Yet, WHO used Ramos and Compean for their personal ends MORE than Nightingale?!
HOW on earth can she possibly be FAMILY to them after the CONTEMPTIBLE way she EXPLOITED their untold personal and family tragedy!) I sure hope and pray that the nasty falsehoods Nightingale spread about Mr. Gichrist and others who care deeply for Ramos and Compean will COME BACK to HAUNT her! And last month, God blessed me to meet, for the FIRST time, Jose Compean and his lovely wife Patty. I sure hope and pray that their first meeting with me enabled them to see beyond any lies Nightingale may have told them about me. And I tried, as tactfully and yet as truthfully as possible, to help Jose and Patty realize that Mr. Gilchrist and Ray and Kingfish and other fellow patriots at the MMP are among the BEST friends Jose and Nacho and their families could have! I don't just believe it, I KNOW it!

LOL, Chelene running for Calif governor 2010

2009-07-11T12:20:00.000-07:00

People have already said about Chelene running for Calif governor 2010 from Ameri Indep Party:
"Since Chelene Nightengoul is now a public figure running for elective office, she will have to allow criticism from anyone. Progressing from screwing-up her laugingly self-called modeling and equity stage actress career in Washington, her broken marriage, filing personal financial bankruptcy only a year ago, her home schooled two kids, lost her house to foreclosure, the direction and killing the membership of Save Our State, long-time melomaniac of Joe Turner's org, bad campaign manager of Art Olivier state election campaign (failed), disloyal to George Bush & Ron Paul & libertarians and now AIP in three years; she has the American Independant Party (who gave us racist George Wallace) backing her for Governor of the Golden State. How appropriate but makes conservatives look like a crazy joke. A shameful act. Search Yahoo Groups for info website called- saveoursanity2 group."
People have already said about Chelene running for Calif governor from Ameri Indep Party:
"Ms. Nightingale is ill suited for the position she seeks because she has an established history of wildly lashing out at people with whom she disagrees, in much the same fashion as you would expect of a girl 30 years her junior. Her reputation inside the niche grassroots subculture she inhabits is damaged to the extent that her name is commonly used as a punch line by many of the people most familiar with her efforts of the last four or five years. Insofar as her ability to address California's financial problems, she has had pronounced difficulty successfully addressing even her own financial problems of late.
Mix these factors in with this candidate's considerable appetite for internet fodder caliber conspiracy theories, and you have a person seeking office well above her "pay grade."
This being said, however, she is on the right side of most issues that impact our state. Therefore, if you are seeking a candidate upon whom to bestow your "protest vote," this is your horse."
People have already said about Chelene running for Calif governor from Ameri Indep Party:
"Oh c'mon now everyone. This is as ridiculous as snipe hunting. Chelene is a media hound, and a megalomaniac. She's not here to win, or even place. She's here to get her ego stroked and satisfy her lust for personal spotlight. Even the looniest Californian would not entertain the possibility of placing a nobody that filed personal bankruptcy only a year ago into the chair of an executive of a state that is also bankrupt. In addition, the party whose ticket she's running on hasn't even done enough homework on her to know how just this alone would make them look.
There's so much absolute lunacy her running for governor that I would disregard anything that the constitution party coughs up until such time as they have lightning strike them and make them omnipitent."

Joe Turner’s running for public office and his mismanagement of SOS.
I find it laughable that Mr. Turner has decided to run for public office. He has little or no experience in this job. He has only one management challenge in his past and that is his advocacy group, Save Our State. He has run for elected office four times and lost four times.
As a matter of fact, his group Save Our State, has been running poorly since he left to work for another advocacy group FAIR, due to the many inept leaders he choose to manage his club in his absence. AZ Patriot (Mike Williams), Patriotic Dream (Chelene Nightengale), Old Preach (Don Silva) have run his club into the ground. These current administratively flawed SOS staffers are consistently uninterested in general members problems due to their busy many ‘legislation’ road trips, give out little or no guidance with problems, seldom consult each other on staff matters, sweep SOS BBS problems under ‘the rug’, and when they do give out a BBS problem solution offer conflicting confused directions to their struggling confused general SOS members. Where is Mr. Turner? There are MORE problems. Mr. Turner knows about the SOS problems. Mr. Turner after seeing this mess has run away from taking any corrective actions to put SOS matters right with new replacements on SOS staff and obviously he has left for greener pastures. Thank you, Joe!
Many people use to blame the current SOS leadership for this chaos. But looking towards Mr. Turner’s run for elective office, the real blame and the only person who can correct his busted glass house is Mr. Joe Turner. His current SOS staff actions towards general members are unethical, jingoistic, gang-like, and unprincipled. There are MORE problems. People who try to do post any honest suggestions are flamed, name called, pilloried, ‘witch hunted’ by SOS forum staff members and after those staff ‘baited’ members are immediately unethically banned from their forums by the dishonest SOS staff. And that is deeply confusing and deceitful as general members are maltreated when they express their own respectful opinions on how to improve the efficiency of SOS.
No staff criticism, theoretical discussions of how to do their mission better, or in depth critical analysis of their public events are NOT allowed on their BBS. Attempts to do so are SOS staff classified as 'negativity and divisive’. Those posts and posting authors are banned without a reason or notice.
This entire situation smells of those in power wanting to silence a dissenting positive examining voice. There are MORE problems. Seldom do recently ‘banned’ general members get the professional SOS forum staff courtesy to be shown exactly what was their forum posting mistake.
QUOTE 'You have been banned for the following reason:
Same stuff, differnt day. Las suspension before perm ban.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never QUOTE
I am truly beginning to believe this illegal immigration movement group is one big ego club and that if you disagree or question anything about the SOS, you are attacked, ostracized and made an outcast. Often the SOS staff public banning rules are corruptively not followed by their own staff members when no warnings are administrated to perceived ‘wrong doers’ or one week bans are administratively staff converted into LIFE BANS all the while the member is no longer participating or posting any additional comments on the SOS forums. It is an excuse for staff to get rid of bothersome positive thinking general members and their beneficial ideas. General members are threatened with their BBS membership ‘being reviewed’. This is just a small sample of the SOS staff unethical dealings with general members. There are MORE problems. If general members contact SOS staffers for assistance or for help, general members get very little assistance or at best get several conflicting directions on the member frantic problem on the SOS forums. Joe Turner has set up this group and assigned the SOS staff to run it. There are MORE problems. I would hope that most SOS people do NOT believe this saying, "Go along to get along, the end justifies the means", philosophy. People are beginning to see that illegal immigration movement leaders want and need general members who don’t ‘rock the boat’ kind of a people.
Joe Turner has a unpleasant record. And Joe Turner wants to become an elected public official with public administrative responsibilities. I think not! He won’t get or deserve my vote or support. He has run for elected office four times and lost four times.
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Joe Turner’s running for public office and his mismanagement of SOS.
I find it laughable that Mr. Turner has decided to run for public office. He has little or no experience in this job. He has only one management challenge in his past and that is his advocacy group, Save Our State. He has run for elected office four times and lost four times.
As a matter of fact, his group Save Our State, has been running poorly since he left to work for another advocacy group FAIR, due to the many inept leaders he choose to manage his club in his absence. AZ Patriot (Mike Williams), Patriotic Dream (Chelene Nightengale), Old Preach (Don Silva) have run his club into the ground. These current administratively flawed SOS staffers are consistently uninterested in general members problems due to their busy many ‘legislation’ road trips, give out little or no guidance with problems, seldom consult each other on staff matters, sweep SOS BBS problems under ‘the rug’, and when they do give out a BBS problem solution offer conflicting confused directions to their struggling confused general SOS members. Where is Mr. Turner? There are MORE problems. Mr. Turner knows about the SOS problems. Mr. Turner after seeing this mess has run away from taking any corrective actions to put SOS matters right with new replacements on SOS staff and obviously he has left for greener pastures. Thank you, Joe!
Many people use to blame the current SOS leadership for this chaos. But looking towards Mr. Turner’s run for elective office, the real blame and the only person who can correct his busted glass house is Mr. Joe Turner. His current SOS staff actions towards general members are unethical, jingoistic, gang-like, and unprincipled. There are MORE problems. People who try to do post any honest suggestions are flamed, name called, pilloried, ‘witch hunted’ by SOS forum staff members and after those staff ‘baited’ members are immediately unethically banned from their forums by the dishonest SOS staff. And that is deeply confusing and deceitful as general members are maltreated when they express their own respectful opinions on how to improve the efficiency of SOS.
No staff criticism, theoretical discussions of how to do their mission better, or in depth critical analysis of their public events are NOT allowed on their BBS. Attempts to do so are SOS staff classified as 'negativity and divisive’. Those posts and posting authors are banned without a reason or notice.
This entire situation smells of those in power wanting to silence a dissenting positive examining voice. There are MORE problems. Seldom do recently ‘banned’ general members get the professional SOS forum staff courtesy to be shown exactly what was their forum posting mistake.
QUOTE 'You have been banned for the following reason:
Same stuff, differnt day. Las suspension before perm ban.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never QUOTE
I am truly beginning to believe this illegal immigration movement group is one big ego club and that if you disagree or question anything about the SOS, you are attacked, ostracized and made an outcast. Often the SOS staff public banning rules are corruptively not followed by their own staff members when no warnings are administrated to perceived ‘wrong doers’ or one week bans are administratively staff converted into LIFE BANS all the while the member is no longer participating or posting any additional comments on the SOS forums. It is an excuse for staff to get rid of bothersome positive thinking general members and their beneficial ideas. General members are threatened with their BBS membership ‘being reviewed’. This is just a small sample of the SOS staff unethical dealings with general members. There are MORE problems. If general members contact SOS staffers for assistance or for help, general members get very little assistance or at best get several conflicting directions on the member frantic problem on the SOS forums. Joe Turner has set up this group and assigned the SOS staff to run it. There are MORE problems. I would hope that most SOS people do NOT believe this saying, "Go along to get along, the end justifies the means", philosophy. People are beginning to see that illegal immigration movement leaders want and need general members who don’t ‘rock the boat’ kind of a people.
Joe Turner has a unpleasant record. And Joe Turner wants to become an elected public official with public administrative responsibilities. I think not! He won’t get or deserve my vote or support. He has run for elected office four times and lost four times.

NMI's boss becomes 'Mr MOM', leaves activism.

2009-07-11T12:08:00.000-07:00

Dennis 'AP77' Mr Mom Slater’s taking a baby break and his recent mismanagement of NMI forums.
UPDATE: NMI is a bare bones skeleton org now with fewer that 3 postings in the forum a week by die-hard cheerleaders doing just about nothing for local neighborhood activism anymore !!
I find it extremely sad that Dennis Slater has decided make Old Preach (Don Silva) his NMI forum administrator while Mr Slater is ‘on hiatus’ while expecting his first baby next year. Old Preach has poor job experience record as a forum administrator position. As a matter of fact on his home forum SOS, Old Preach has demonstrated his own biased, unfair, unethical and corrupt administration for many years now. OP as an SOS forum staffer gives little guidance, seldom consults other forum staff, sweeps problems under the rug, and gives out conflicting confused solutions to their struggling general SOS members. There are MORE OP problems. Mr Slater leaving his control of the NMI forums, the real blame and the only person who can correct NMI BBS ‘glass house’ is Dennis Slater. OP’s staff actions towards general members are unethical, jingoistic, cliquish, and unprincipled. And that is deeply confusing and deceitful as NMI general members are maltreated when they express their own respectful opinions on how to improve the efficiency of NMI’s mission in their NMI forum posts. No criticism of any other illegal immigration group, no theoretical discussions of how to do their ‘secure the borders’ mission better, or no in depth critical analysis of their public events are NOT allowed on the NMI BBS. This entire situation smells of those in power wanting to silence a dissenting voice. There are MORE problems. People who try to do post any meaningful suggestions are flamed by NMI forum staff members and after those ‘baited’ members are immediately unethically banned from their forums by the dishonest NMI staff. There are MORE problems. Seldom do recently ‘ban’ general members get the professional NMI forum staff courtesy to be shown exactly what was their forum-posting mistake. Posting any vague general suggestions on how to improve NMI mission are interpreted as negative by Mr. Slater or his NMI staff as ‘starting trouble’ and people are banned from the forum. I am truly beginning to believe the illegal immigration movement is one big ego club and that if you disagree or question anything about it, you are attacked, ostracized and made an outcast. I would hope that most people do NOT believe this saying, "Go along to get along, the end justifies the means", philosophy.
American Patriot 77 You TUbe account is filled with cute baby videos and not the neighborhood activism against Day laborer centers that got Slater so credibilty in the past. I wonder if Slater ever wipped that blood off his head and was his son born with the same hard head !
It is an excuse for NMI staff to get rid of bothersome general members and their beneficial ideas to help NMI. This is just a small sample of the NMI staff unethical dealings with questioning general members. There are MORE problems. Dennis Turner has set up this group and assigned the NMI staff to run it. There are MORE problems. Now, Dennis Slater has shown (with choosing OP = Don Silva) a seriously flawed record of picking his inept vicious personal friends for forum staff responsibilities. People are beginning to see that illegal immigration movement leaders want and need general members who ‘don’t rock the boat’ kind of a people. And Dennis Slater wants some time off from his clubs forum’s administrative responsibilities…I say choose someone…anyone else as forum AdM. Choose another from your existing staff. Old Preach is a bad selection. Old Preach as forum AdM is like putting a hungry fox in charge of the chicken coop!
UPDATE: NMI is a bare bones skeleton org now with fewer that 3 postings in the forum a week by die-hard cheerleaders doing just about nothing for local neighborhood activism anymore !!

10 year Calif spending 'bubble' used by illegal aliens !!

2009-07-07T11:21:00.000-07:00

July 7, 2009 off the Dennis Prager KFI show interview with several State Senators about the HUGE budget troubles.
These several senators admit that there was a calif spending 'bubble' that started 10 years ago and continued ever since, every single year. This bubble state monies went to health and education programs primarily for illegal aliens in living in Calif. Millions of dollars each year spent on people who are taking govt benefits away from being accessed by US calif citizens until this spending became 15% of the total yearly budget of calif. If the state democrats didn't continue spending this money, the state would have had a balanced budget for over 10 years and no current budget deficit today. 2 billion dollars given out to illegals every year for over 10 years...

I told you so...

Chelene's Camp Vigilance July 4th event was a TURD!

2009-07-07T11:02:00.000-07:00

pretty bad when the SOS and Nightengoul can't do an desert weenie roast on July 4th.

JUST Off the sos BBS...first account posted there.

""Well, I went there on the 4th of July and it was only, okay.

It is better than last years, as we have Nacho and Tom Tancredo arrived to share
us their insights and experiences. Ted Hayes's speech was awesome and very
inspiring. ***Chelene did made an announcement on running for Governor and I kind
of wish that she was given more speech time, but she had to cut her speech short
so she can be on the air on Radio Network or whatever it is called. We have
couple of candidates that are running for San Diego's law enforcement offices
and of course we have a speech about the petitions. (It is very imperative to
get them signed and be placed on the ballot).

I would say the number of participants is the same as last year, but perhaps
more this year than last year. I have seen similar faces around and there are
new patriots that I haven't seen before. There were more vendors and a lot of
good stuff to read and buy. Geno's made a great shredded pork sandwhiches. One
karate training school was given an opportunity to showcase their skills and
even have one blind karate student getting involved!

I would say that the organizers did one heck of a job and I am sure everyone is
very impressed. Great speeches and great people.

Unfortunately, I have left the event in a very upset mood, as I didn't get a
chance to talk with anyone about the petitions (trying to drum up the support by
organizing signature drive events) and didn't get a chance to talk with Chelene
about her campaign and SOS. I was so upset and disgusted that I left without
saying goodbye to anyone. I apologized, but I was down. Don't get me wrong, I
don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but that's basically how I felt and I am
not too shy about it.

Jeanoffilmore, if you are wondering about if we ever had a roundtable discussion
with variety of leaders, well, it never happened (if it did happened, well I
wasn't invited). I was trying to get ahold of Chelene and asked her about it,
but it just never happened. All I can say is we have to move on and see where we
are heading. For now, I will be focusing on gathering signatures for the Tax
Payers' Revolution and will do my best to participate Jean's events.""

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***Chelene did made an announcement on running for Governor
**Chelene is running (LOL!!!) for Calif Governor in 2010 from the American Independant Party (folks that gave you, George Wallace for Pres). She has filed personal bankrupty {wooppeee, thousands in new campaign donations !!!} and has no real experience or training and has failed in modeling, actress, wife, homeschool mother, managing the SOS, failed in managing the local political campaign of Art Olivier, working for Ron Paul presidential campaign. What a candidate !

Here is puff-piece phoney BS political 'bio' of here website. NOTICE: the "BS" at the areas maked with (**???)

QUOTE: Chelene Nightingale is the daughter of an Air Force veteran. She attended military base schools and learned patriotism and loyalty to the United States of America from her military upbringing and maternal legal immigrant family.
After her education, Chelene established a solid modeling and acting career in Seattle,(***???)
then relocated to the golden state of California in the early 1990’s. She continued to pursue a career in the entertainment industry,(***???)
but after the tragic events of 9-11 and the birth of her son, she became concerned for her child that the country she loved was in danger.
Over 4 years ago, a good friend who is not only a Marine veteran, but the son of a legal immigrant from Mexico, educated her that the tragic events of 9-11 may have been prevented had our borders been secured and our legal immigration laws enforced.
After some research on the issues, Nightingale joined the California-based non-profit political organization Save Our State. Soon she would become the media and events organizer for the group, then later promoted to managing director by the 501c3’s founder.
Under her direction, SOS membership greatly increased (***and Killed!!!)
and she became known as someone who definitely gets things done!
During her tenure at Save Our State, Chelene organized community events and lobbying efforts in both Washington D.C. and Sacramento. One of her most proud achievements was helping to bring national attention to the false imprisonment of former Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean. She successfully organized a march in Hollywood for the agents which was featured on the nationally syndicated program “America’s Most Wanted” hosted by John Walsh.
Nightingale is certainly no stranger to political campaigns. Back in 2006, she was the campaign manager for California gubernatorial candidate Art Olivier. Two years later, she would meet with presidential candidate Ron Paul and officially endorse his campaign.(***???)
In January 2009, the American Independent Party approached this political figure and homeschooling mother to be their nominee for California governor. Chelene accepted when the Sacramento bureaucrats betrayed their constituents by passing the highest state tax increase in the nation’s history. Since that time, Chelene has joined other frustrated voters at various statewide tea parties. Her dynamic persona, along with her inspirational speaking style, have placed her in high demand at political rallies due to her ability to draw large crowds and motivate people into action.(***??)
She is honored to represent “we the people” instead of special interest money. She hopes that other frustrated Californians will join her on this journey to help take back our Golden State! UNQUOTE

The History Of Illegal alien Immigration

2009-06-08T21:08:00.000-07:00

Watch and learn.....

Chelene's 'SoCal Coalition' is phony......

2009-06-05T19:13:00.000-07:00

Here's the newest anti-Gilchrist efforts by the usual SDMM, SOS, ALIPAC suspects.

Chelene says: Our SoCal Coalitions is very strong and let's keep it that way!

SoCal Patriot Coalition- (many unknown, SOS, SDMM, MCDC, and other splinter spin-off 'shell' orgs)
http://www.patriotscoalition.com

**SECURE BORDERS – CONSTITUTION – RULE OF LAW**

California Coalition for Immigration Reform (CCIR), Barbara Coe, sued in lawsuit.

Save Our State- nightengoul

Tecate Border Volunteers- "Bonfire" leader, sos staff

San Diego Minutemen- bikini schwilk

FIRE Coalition,
http://www.firecoalition.com/,updated '08,
SDMM Schwilk and AVMM Jorge and Robin Hvidston- So Cal reps.

Antelope Valley Minutemen- Frank Jorge (retired)
http://www.avimm.com

Minuteman Corps of California-Simcox

Central Coast Minutemen (MCDC)- simcox

Latino Americans for Immigration Reform (LAIR)last updated site, fall '07
lupe Moreno, 200 members. http://www.latinoamericans.org/

Stop Taxing Us- 2009, Carlsbad, CA 92011, 800 supporters,Gary Gonsalves, M.D. Co-Founder...Rhonda Deniston, Oceanside..Dana Matas, marketing http://stoptaxingus.com/ mailbox@StopTaxingUs.com.

Taxpayer Revolution- Committee, SAN DIEGO, CA 92169,graduate student Ted Hilton, State Committee ID no. 1297837, site form contact, sponsoers CALIFORNIA TAXPAYER PROTECTION ACT 2012 inniative http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/

Los Angeles Minutemen- myspace only, Minuteman Civil Defense Corps(Simcox)
www.myspace.com/laminutemen

Desert Cities Minutemen-http://desertcitiesminutemen.com/,
Maxwell Britton, Contact: 74chev@wildblue.net 760-508-4971,
desertcitiesminutemen@yahoo.com

Ted Hayes’ Group- Crispus Attucks Brigade, Choose Black America
http://tedhayes.us/uscab/

Jamiel’s Law- Jamiel Shaw sr?
http://JamielsLaw.com

You Don’t Speak for Me, San Diego (Hispanics against illegal immigration)
http://dontspeakforme.org

Gun Rights Committee, San Diego
http://www.sdgunrights.com

Border Patrol Auxiliary-'08 last updated,
http://hspig.org/bpaux/content/view/50/72/

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San Diego Citizens Brigade, http://www.freewebs.com/sandiegobrigade/
UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Oceanside Watch League (OWL) Carol Derbis, president
NO website found

Escondido Minuteman Brigade
no website found

San Diego Christians for Secure Borders
site not found

Carlsbad Citizens Brigade
site not found

Encinitas Citizens Brigade
site not found

We the People, San Diego
no site found

Stop SPP (Security & Prosperity Partnership),
no website found

Patriot lynching by SOS's Nightengoul...Davi Rodriguez aka AyatollahGondola

2009-06-03T15:33:00.000-07:00

04-30-2009, 05:05 PM Chelene Patriotic Dream wrote: Attention SOS
patriots, Davi Rodriguez aka AyatollahGondola is no longer the Save Our
State Northern California Director. In addition A.G. has been suspended
from the forum for one month for creating divide, drama, and instigating
in-fighting. (more later...)

Here is the video in question...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr3ApDxIGlU

A record of he You Tube discussion of this video as of today's date...

JamesTCA (1 month ago) I declare you: Not guilty.

(Robert Crooks) Bigbadred23 (1 month ago) -6: You disrespected me on sos
how does it feel I spent 6 months on the border and You reap what u sow
bro I thank You for what You do but u did the same shit to me

linwooddeaton (1 month ago) +7: I guess you didn't understand the speech
he just gave. United we stand.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago): (Robert Crooks) BigBadRed23,
I don't know the circumstances you mentioned; there were probably a lot
of instances where I treated people unfairly. I was just a bigger spoke
in the SOS wheel, but I still did what I was directed many times, as
opposed to what I wished. However, that is not to say that I wouldn't
vote to do it again on my own given the same percieved offenses. The
point is, now you have no say in your defense; no choice in your leaders,
and no voice in how your supposed community operates.

WilliamDawes (1 month ago) -5: It wasn't about tit for tat, it was about
tyranny

kdreger (1 month ago) +8: I agree, the rule of law is decided in the
court, not online in some stupid chat area or forum! Grow up folks, we do
not eat our own please.

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(EX-SOSer) PochoPatriot (1 month ago) +17: It IS time to end the
dictatorships within the Border Security movement.

(SOS staffer) oneinchgroup (1 month ago) +9: This is ridiculous dude. To
even start to compare yourself to Gilchrist is a joke. That dude was in
it for himself and his own financial gain. I know you as one of the few
remaining people that still puts their money and their free time where
their mouth is.
SOS was never intended to be a controlled group of people. The intent was
to let people do what they wanted to do, and post about it there.
All this because you had someone's email address in your book. Ridiculous
and asinine.

reportanddeport (1 month ago) +6: You're missing the point. Yes,
Gilchrist is a megalomaniacal ass who has been stalked by a hit mob, BUT,
the people after him are just as jealous of Gilchrist's prominence, as
they legitimately upset about Gilchrist's phoniness. I too despise
Gilchrist, but I finally realized that the dogs hunting him down mostly
want to replace Gilchrist's phony mug with their own phony mugs.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply; Yeah, I am not Gilchrist. He is
another one issuing drama packed email hit pieces across the internet.
That's all they do; accuse, indict, and defend without ever concluding
the process. If we had tried his claims before a jury of his peerswithin
our movement, this may have been over long ago. the truth may have
actually set us all free from this saga.

SquawPeaks (1 month ago) +4 Imagine if ego's and BS were put aside and
as much effort went into exercising rights and changing what we demand in
the legislatures where our rights are first not only exercised but
enacted. It's no wonder I go it alone. Can't depend on anyone to do the
dirty dirty work but yourself! Protests do nothing without the savvy of
utilizing OUR legislative process. How many bills has SOS, MMP or MMC
written or helped introduced in any state? Don't answer if it won't give
me hope.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply: I'll give you some hope. The SOS
founder got some traction with a local ordinance, and I've been working
on one as well. Also, many of the SOS faithful pushed for legislative
efforts when they were critical. I think people lost faith in legislative
remedy after 187 was overuturned

SquawPeaks (1 month ago) +7 Reply | Spam Thank You! From your statement,
I see it was individuals who acted on their own accord. Individuals
stopped the 4 amnesty back door pushes by Bush and the democratic
congress. What if any org. has written and introduced legislation in any
state? I commend your efforts, perhaps we should hook up. I recently got
a bill passed in my state and four others in 2 other states all against
illegals. Seems u are willing to do the hard work and I am tired of
begging for help and getting only the excuses

reportanddeport (1 month ago) Comment removed by author
reportanddeport (1 month ago) +10: Chelene Nightengale has ruined Save
Our State with her OBSESSION with POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. ALL you're going
to get from her is domination and bizarre liberal values, NOT
co-operation. DON'T waste your time with SOS, rather, FORM YOUR OWN
NETWORK of reliable individuals who are focused on stopping illegal
aliens, instead of drawing attention to themselves and trying to control
others.

borderwatch (1 month ago) +6: You are great guy, working very hard in
Sacramento with not a lot of support.
You are a great Patriot and a Brave Man.

borderraven (1 month ago) +17: I'll wait until I can hear the testimony
of witnesses, observe cross-examination, and see evidence presented,
before I'll declare guilt. Davi, until that happens, you are innocent.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply: The immigration law enforcement
movement is mainly political, yet the basic infrastructure of our
constituency operates as a quasi military or employer relationship. This
explains why we our own government is fearless of our prospects long
term. It may also explain why ultra-liberals fear us. We probably look
like a bunch of mercenaries to them. There's no reason we cannot build a
more responsive, functional, and above board platform. 1inchGroup
mentioned electing our leaders

weRsoscrewed (1 month ago) +9: Davi, we patriots stand behind you! Enough
of the damn distractions, we have an amnesty to defeat!! This time it
will be much harder, to stop, than last time!
Keep up the good work, my friend, we appreciate, and admire you for it!
Let's get back to work, and stop the bullshit!

(Possibly Chelene or SOS staffer 'bonfire' sock puppets) TecateVolunteers
(1 month ago) -6 Whoa! As a friend who knows Chelene well enough to
consider her a sister I can testify that Davi's allegations are
fabrications. The wind was taken out of hi sails.
Davi you have cast a black cloud over SOS, therefore, as a sister org in
our SoCal Coaliton you have attacked all of us. flamed an SOS member.

PhiLfromCaLi (1 month ago) -6: who u fooling ? black cloud has always
been over SOS ! bunch of racist freaks !

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VtaCoLegal (1 month ago) +16: TecateV~ You couldn't be more wrong!
Chelene has done nothing but divide, dictate and send fabrications in
email to anyone and everyone she could for as long as I can remember.
That woman has destroyed our movement and she alone is responsible for
doing far more damage than good. She has trashed Patriot's one by one,
she banned many or was the reason most quit going to SOS. If that is the
kind of sister you want more power to you because you can't pick your
family but you can pick your friends!

SEAZBD (1 month ago) +7: VtaCoLegal -
Chelene sounds a lot like TecateVolunteers. No wonder they are friends.
Just a matter of time before one of them stabs the other in the back.

WilliamDawes (4 weeks ago) +3: Black cloud was already there

TecateVolunteers (1 month ago) -6: To clarify this is Bonfire. I speak
for myself but we all need to stick together and cast out dissenters or
at least ignore them. We have a country that is being attacked from
multiple sources. Your character assassination of Chelene is unforgivable
and is a distraction from our cause. La Raza, ACLU & the SPLC must be LOL
at this division.
STOP this attack Davi you serve the enemy with your misplaced anger.
Please delete this video it only feeds the opposition.
Bonfire

ex-SOSer 'Heather" NMIer 'Jalira' (1 month ago) +12 Reply: Dissent is
healthy and American.

xpgyn (1 month ago) +8 Reply: Jalira, I agree completely...dissent is
healthy and very American.

WilliamDawes (4 weeks ago) +6 Reply: When a person is considered a
dissenter of a movement but that is Not what he is talking about. His
dissent is on how the internet is used by the elites to get their way. He
is definitely not moving over to the "dark Side' because of these
leaders. He will always be anti-illegal. But maybe some here won't be
anti-autocratic.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply: I still stand ready to face the
charges.....in person, and before a jury of my peers. If any of you would
like to work on making the arrangements for it, I will appear.

Jalira (1 month ago) +10 Reply: I wish more leaders that hate drama
would pop up. Drama, not cool, dissenting opinions, fine. I don't know
what happened but I also don't use the word betray lightly. Chriskie
betrays, Tony betrays, but I haven't seen any others.

TecateVolunteers (1 month ago) -6 Reply: Dissenting & resisting the
establishment that betrays the people is one thing. Creating dissension
in forums is another. Especially publicly airing our laundry. It causes
infighting and separates American patriots. And it feeds the opposition.
The only drama here was created by you Davi. The rest of us that are so
inclined are in here to do damage control.
United We Stand Divided We fall.
STOP this and delete this YouTube.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply: Get back to me when you have trial
date, and a jury pool. I'm ready.

PochoPatriot (1 month ago) +8 Reply: My dear friend,
We have stood together in the heat of fire, but have you for one moment
thought that AG just might have a point? The road that Chelene has walked
is littered with the corpses of patriots, like me, that only wanted her
silliness to stop. The only one that I see guilty of infighting is Chelene. If you want to perform damage control then ask that AG be given
a fair shot at defending himself.

WilliamDawes (4 weeks ago) +8 Reply: Forums are for debate, that is why
it is called a forum. This is not "feeding" the opposition. Certain
people don't like what he is saying because it is dissent to the behind
the emails gestapo tactics that are used on the internet forum. Sounds to
me like he should get a fair shot of a defense. Anything else is
un-American.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply: Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a
speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district
wherein the crime shall have been committed; which district shall have
been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and
cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him;
to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to
have the assistance of counsel for his defence.

dfweasel (1 month ago) +6: He makes a couple of good points of having at
least a hearing.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply: Tecate,
I'll take the video down when my trial is arranged. You want it down?
That's the quickest way to make that happen. send out an email asking
patriots if they would agree to serve on a jury pool; We can meet any
place. The border, the park, the steps of any courthouse. I don't care.
There's not much in evidence; mainly some emails, and I guess now a
recorded phone message? Should be a slam dunk win for the prosecution
given the proclamations made already.
Anyone willing to help on this?

nucsa (1 month ago) +3 Reply- This is oldreb
AG I don't know all of what happen so far I've only heard one side of it.
But I do want to say that I don't think an organization is much of an
organization if only a few top people get to decide who's in, who's out,
what's right or what's wrong.
I could not believe it when I read about this at SOS and the thread was
closed so I suppose we are not going to be allowed to discuss it there.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply: I remember you Old Reb,
I saw that thread you mentioned. All I will say is that if we start
convicting our citizens on the basis of sensationally written articles or
press releases, we might as well fire all of our district attorneys and
hire writers instead. Fortunately, our founding fathers who were
themselves on the recieving end of the Kings proclamations the likes of
this devised some protections to guide us through situations like this.
We need use them or lose them

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SEAZBD (1 month ago) -5: "Now is the time we should all be working
together for the sake of our country."
"For the sake of unity and protection of our movement, both the SoCal
Coalition and a National Coalition have banned MMP from our groups."
Working together, but not working together - for the sake of unity, we
need to separate ourselves from other patriots....
Do they ever read what they write before they post it?

SEAZBD (1 month ago) -6 Reply: Allow me to point out the hypocrisy of
Save Our State and other So Cal Orgs. You were removed from the Org
because you sent an email to a list of people that included some MMP
members. For the sake of unity, you can't do things like that.
In a thread on the SOS forum titled: "Fight Amnesty NOT Patriots!", your
leaving is discussed. In the same post, you will find the following:

SEAZBD (1 month ago) -2: To kdreger: Yeah --- You're not qualified to
make that comment. Practice what your preach before you start preaching
it...
Then there's another commenter who is the queen of drama and creating
infighting from behind the scenes - Most of you are hypocrites!

flagwaver1969 (1 month ago) +4: There are those who cannot be responsible
in positions of power. Instead of using power for good they choose to use
it for self interest and even evil. I've found that many of those who
zealously seek positions of power in an organization are exactly the type
of people you don't want leading. The kiss-ass is the most obvious
example. They flatter you with one hand and a knife in the other. The
those who are being led, you don't have to put up with bad leadership. Be
your own leader! AG knows it.

GeauxNOSaints (1 month ago) +5 Lemme guess. AG is acting "more like a
goon than a patriot recently," and it is clear that he is "in league with
Jim Gilchrist and IndyMedia" if you start to "connect the dots". Hey, it
could be worse. He could've been accused of being an illegal alien like
Barack Obama. Observation: Given the fact that AG is someone who has
always gone out and actually done things, it should surprise no one that
he is now disassociated from SOS. / Now would you guys please stop
e-mailing me about this vid?

PhiLfromCaLi (1 month ago) -3: does any1 here kno if those rumors about
Chelene really being a man are true ?

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Hello- PhiLfromCaLi,
We're having an adult conversation in here. Check your junior high humor
at the door

(EX-SOSer 'GeauxNOSaints' or'SZinwestla') DerailAmnestydotcom (1 month
ago) 0 Can't say, but what about those rumors that you're really a man?
Are they true?

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dfweasel (1 month ago) -3 She is a HOT looking babe who can bitch slap
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dfweasel (1 month ago)-4 Actually, your whining in public and nothing
is to be gained here for the good of the movement.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply: I am not in this for the good of
the movement, or for the good of the leaders of this movement. I am in
this for the good of America. The preservation of America as a free
society, and the preservation of liberty. The preservation of America as
a soveriegn nation. Placing a person, a group, or a movement above that,
and above the law is how dictatorships are formed. If I have to fight
injustice within, as well as foreign invaders at the same time...so be it

dfweasel (1 month ago) -3: Do you really believe that this is the best
for America? You could have worked this out with the people you have an
issue with. We all have disagreements or felt slighted, but we need to
keep such things private. You're in a leadership position and such
infighting should have been between leadership. Line troops don't need to
be a part of this. The fight continues for the USA not our egos. We all
have had to eat some humble pie from time to time.

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply I have always maintained in my
solicitations that I wished to be tried by a jury of my peers. That could
have been comprised of the people who lead, or those who agreed to be led
by them. And yes, I believe what's best for America is to preserve and
practice our way of justice. No one, friend or foe, has any respect for
hypocrisy in the long run. By now, my trial could have been held, and
this video would be gone. The fear of truth is what keeps this alive.

(EX-SOSer 'GeauxNOSaints' or'SZinwestla') DerailAmnestydotcom (1 month
ago) +4 Is this conversation still going on? Remarkable. You folks are
getting upset over little. The major damage done to Save Our State took
place months ago. It's not that AG isn't valuable. It's that there isn't
much left anyway. SOS used to be a grassroots organization that got folks
on the street. However, the people who regularly participated are almost
all gone now. The "doers" were driven out one-at-a-time as they said
something Chelene didn't like or got too much attention ...

(EX-SOSer 'GeauxNOSaints' or'SZinwestla') DerailAmnestydotcom (1 month
ago) +10 which is, perhaps, the ultimate sin in the Patriotic Dream
Universe. And the modus operandi has pretty much been the same.
Disagreements with Chelene immediately become "infighting," "attacking
SOS," and bad for "the Movement" as they are mischaracterized through a
furious flurry of behind-the-back e-mails and phone calls. The result is
that 80% of the productive SoCal members are history. There's a reason
SOS rarely stages anything now. A lot of the necessary bodies aren't
available.

(Frank Jorge AVMM) xpgyn (1 month ago) +10 Davi it is obvious that you
were very hurt by your interactions within SOS. I do not find it
unreasonable that you are willing to submit to an anlaysis of your
actions by your peers. I do not know how SOS is run. I have always
favored a board that meets and votes on issues and actions in order to
have checks and balances so that decisions are just and
out in the light. Rather than fight SOS you might consider starting your
own organization.
I know that you are a patriot.
Frank Jorge

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply: Frank,
As far as personal feelings go, I'm not as hurt by this as I am branded
by a proclamation of betrayal. Who in the movement should trust me after
such a proclamation by a "leader"? And after said proclamations were
wantingly distributed to other leaders as fact, how can I then
effectively continue as an activist?
It's also not just about me, but those before and after me. We are
Americans, and we need to conduct our affairs as such, especially those
claiming to hold the constitution dear

(EX-SOSer 'GeauxNOSaints' or'SZinwestla') DerailAmnestydotcom (1 month
ago) +5 Think for a minute. Exactly what have you been doing in
Sacramento that requires Chelene Nightingale or Jeff Schwilk to hold you
in high esteem? Step back for a second and reason. If you resided in
L.A., exactly what activism would be off-limits to you b/c PD has
proclaimed you are now the 438th person who has committed an act of
"betrayal"? Your activities would be constricted how? What person w/ an
IQ over 90 would say "Aaaahh, just like OldPreach and PochoPatriot, this
one is unworthy!"?

AyatollahGondola (1 month ago) Reply: My value is to my fellow activists,
not one or two leaders. I'm soliciting to them to take the reins of their
government, by acting as their own government. In the here and now, my
fellow activists are being encouraged to consign the power granted to
them by our constitution back to a ruling fiat in order to fight the good
fight. I'm saying that the good fight is to preserve what we are fighting
for in the first place, and the result will make us more effective in the
overall pursuit.

(William Gheen) ALIPAC1 (1 month ago) -7: You don't approve of a "flurry
of emails" between people with differences in the movement, yet you put
up a Youtube video doing the same? You have not been accused of a crime
and your due no trial or hearing anymore than an employee of any company
or supporter of any political group in America. You are subject to the
leadership, by-laws, or articles of incorp and that is it. Trying to turn
a political dispute into a trial is quite a leap, u should consider
taking this mess down.

WilliamDawes (3 weeks ago) +6: Appears to me that they are free to
comment here. Freedom of speech.
That can't happen on a closed forum website.
Basically a political dispute is a trial of sorts. Both require the facts
to be disclosed to find the truth.

(EX-SOSer banned- Sandy) sandinator (3 weeks ago) +7: No, he should leave
it up. That is what is wrong with the anti-illegal immigration movement!
They want everyone to march in lock step and drink the kool-aid,
otherwise you get your name and reputation smeared.. Well no thanks. Good
for you Davi for refusing to go quietly into the night.

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LanzaLover2 (1 month ago) -6: Hey, Ayatollah, GROW UP! As a long-time
participation in the anti-ILLEGAL ALIEN movement, I am really angered by
your petty, PETTY allegations, and further by your PUBLIC DISPLAY of
them! You are NO PATRIOT! If you were, you would quietly take care of any
arguments or differences and not give fuel to the fire of all the enemies
of this Republic. Many of us have given our life's blood in this
movement. GO AWAY!!!!! Which is more important to you? Your pettiness or
your country???? GET LOST!

LanzaLover2 (1 month ago) -6: Furthemore, TAKE THIS VIDEO DOWN! (It sucks
anyway.) Every second it remains here, you are giving "aid and comfort to the
enemy" -- and what is THAT called????

(SOSer staff- Brook Young) TheWatchdog (4 weeks ago) 0 SOS has
appointed me to handle your case in arbitration. I hereby declare that
you are to take down this video, and drive around that billboard for
10,000 hours. My decision is binding.

(Jeff Schwilk SDMM leader) SanDiegoMinutemen (4 weeks ago) -6: Davi, get
help man. You are losing it. You sound like you are having a breakdown.
At least he gave the goons a good laugh though.

(EX-SOSer: Jeremy) GSBAmerica (4 weeks ago) +9: There are too many fish
in the Ocean to worry about the one that just got away. Many of us have
parted ways from different orgs, and found ones more suited to our needs
or just became independent in our fight.

FREEDOMSTAR7 (4 weeks ago) Show Hide -6: DUDE, THINK! 350 viewers times
8 minutes to watch video = 47 hours of patriot's time wasted, already.
Plus, ammo for anti-americans who want illegal immigration. YOU MUST
THINK BEFORE YOU ACT. Maybe, that was the problem in the first place -
you didn't think before you acted.
~INDEPENDENT AMERICAN PATRIOT

(EX-SOSer 'GeauxNOSaints' or'SZinwestla') DerailAmnestydotcom (4 weeks
ago) +2: OK, I'll bite. How does his video aid illegal immigration?

class8871 (4 weeks ago) +8: You would not be convicted by a jury of your
peers.
As for laughs for the goons, you can not top Schwilk in women's underware
pictures. Or when he made the news fighting with his girl friend?
Chelene has destroyed Save Our State. Sad, but true. Pretty soon, she and
Schwild and Gheen will be the leaders of 3 groups with a total of 3
members.

SEAZBD (3 weeks ago) 0: Schwilk in women's underware! bwahaha Still the
funniest thing I've ever seen. He's the one that need help. Wasn't there
a daughter in that video he was picking on as well?

AyatollahGondola (4 weeks ago) Some here, fling the patriot term around
very loosely. Many of you talk boldly of taking America back. Yet when
asked to perform a single sacred function of American tradition.....you
fail. In doing so, you confirm to our adversaries and our hopeful
recruits that we are all hype and no substance. Governing yourself is
hard work. Adhereance to American standards is not a part time job.
You're either up to it, or you're full of it. Those who are full of it
usually end up in the hands of a dictator

FREEDOMSTAR7 (4 weeks ago) -4:Hey Gil (anti) Christ - AKA class8871. We
know you are getting paid by the cartel. And, everyone knows Chelene,
Schwild and Gheen has done a great job.

SEAZBD (3 weeks ago) -1: Accusations without evidence....tsk tsk tsk

19patriot43 (4 weeks ago) -7: Seems to me that you Davi, are a hypocrite.
As suggested by a few others, perhaps your agenda would be better served
by either going "solo," or forming your own group. It's always a good
idea to view and review your work, be it written recorded, or as is the
case here, video recorded and presented to the world. For good measure,
have a few fair-minded, intelligent friends/colleagues view and help edit
your work before posting. This rambling bloviation has wasted my time.

(EX-SOSer and Choose Black America: "Kim")LetFreedomRing (4 weeks ago) +6
Davi, hang in there and keep up the good work. You're a dedicated
patriot!

BobbyXD9 (4 weeks ago) -6: Just what this movement needs, another
backstabbing liar who spews outragous claims with no proof or reason. It
is colostomy bags such as this who have infiltrated & destroyed this
movement that are responsible for our borders remaining open. Let's all
hope that they reap what they sow.

(EX-SOSer 'GeauxNOSaints' or'SZinwestla') DerailAmnestydotcom (3 weeks
ago) +5: So tell me, how is this video or its maker responsible for "our
borders remaining open"? Please, I'm dying to hear the details.

AyatollahGondola (3 weeks ago) I actually don't know who Bobby is
referring to yet.

PochoPatriot (3 weeks ago) +4: This bullbaiting is really unnecessary,
Bobby.

AyatollahGondola (3 weeks ago) Reply: I'm not sure what you mean Bobby.
Who is the liar?

SEAZBD (3 weeks ago) +2: AG - I know you're hurt, but it's time to move
on. There are great orgs out there that don't engage in the email
bickering and slandering of other patriots. Good luck to you.

AyatollahGondola (3 weeks ago) Reply: What's a patriot SEAZBD?
I know you mean well, by the way.

BobbyXD9 (3 weeks ago) -6: So why should I bother explaining further when
you obviously lack the balls to leave my post for all to read. Those of
you who seek to slander, sue & attack the very people who are doing
something about our open borders deserve to suffer the consequences of
foreign invaders colonizing our country. You false patriots infiltrate
the movement in an obvious effort to destroy it.

PochoPatriot (3 weeks ago) +3: More bull baiting. Plain and simple.

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AyatollahGondola (3 weeks ago) Reply: Bobby,
I did not take your post down. I'm at loss to explain its' absence, but
then I've never actually read the manual on this youtube program.
Here's something to consider:
Have you ever known me to lack balls? What's my history been like?
I would like to say the first attack did not originate by my hand, but I
want to do it while facing my accuser, and in a court of my fellow
activists. No lawsuits, no attacks, no slander. just simple justice. Why
would true patriots reject that?

sandinator (3 weeks ago) +9: Well having been there and done that I am
not surprised this has happened to Davi, who is now having his good name
and deeds dragged through the mud due to pettiness of one person's sick
need for drama. Save Our State hasn't been a viable organization since
2006 when a certain drama queen came on board. Before DQ , SOS was
respected and effective. After DQ SOS became a joke. Too many people were
in it for the wrong reason (dennis slater, girlscout boy & that weird SZ
dude come to mind). = /

sandinator (3 weeks ago) +3: Davi,
Sorry about all the deleted comments but for some reason I am having a
problem with my replies showing up correctly, instead they keep showing
up as original comments instead of as replies.
So please do allow me to clarify, my last comment that begins "no, he
should keep it up" was in reply to ALIPAC1 who said you should take this
video down.

LillyVonStup (3 weeks ago) +6: dfweasel wrote:
"She is a HOT looking babe who can bitch slap your ass! "
You're kidding right. She looks like something the cat dragged in and the
dog refused to drag out.
What does somebody's looks have to do with it anyway? What matters is
character and the drama queen has none. In fact she has a character
deficit.

BobbyXD9 (3 weeks ago) -6: What I know is this; People like you, Derek, &
others would rather bitch in public & whine about what victims you are
instead of standing up for yourselves & confronting any one you have
issues with. We've all taken heat, suffered insults & lost time, money &
positions because we stand for what is right. So be a man, confront those
you have issues with one-to-one & quit the victim crap. What would Thomas
Jefferson do; whine, moan, call people names in public? Or would he
handle it like a man

AyatollahGondola (3 weeks ago) Reply: What is all this "be a man" and
"grow up" stuff Bobby? Do I have a history of being a wimp or a child
within our movement? Look, it's real easy to cast names at people; That's
part of my point. Our movement has suffered from the disarray brought
about by years of accusations and mistrust. I'm not the victim; good
people within our effort are. It happens one by one as need arises,
circumstance dictates, or opportunity presents itself. Is it whining to
want to change that?

instantword (1 week ago) +1 Reply: Don't give up hope, all is not lost.
Even what seems the worst of a situation can be changed. Remember you
have a friend.

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04-30-2009, 05:05 PM Chelene Patriotic Dream wrote: Attention SOS
patriots, Davi Rodriguez aka AyatollahGondola is no longer the Save Our
State Northern California Director. In addition A.G. has been suspended
from the forum for one month for creating divide, drama, and instigating
in-fighting. Not only is this something SOS nor the movement needs at
anytime, but especially right now during a crucial amnesty battle, May
Day marches, a flu pandemic, amendment issues, socialism, etc..... Now is
the time we should all be working together for the sake of our country.
Unfortunately anyone including opposition, La Raza, and the SPLC can view
this very public video which incites dissension within our movement. It
is quite disturbing that a valued, trusted patriot would go to such
lengths especially during this crucial time in America. Shocking really.
Without creating more dissension, I can assure you that the video content
is very misleading. For starters, it was Davi who sent the first email to
me and Jeff Schwilk, the SoCal Coalition leader. The subject line was
rather confusing as instead of a subject, there were lists of email
addresses including MMP leaders. (For the sake of unity and protection of
our movement, both the SoCal Coalition and a National Coalition have
banned MMP from our groups. The ban was especially essential amongst the
leadership.)

Jeff and I were confused, so I simply called to ask Davi about the email.
Unfortunately Davi never answered a very simple question, instead he
screamed in my ear that he was fine before SOS and would be fine without
SOS. I hung up in the middle of his screaming. He was NOT being called to
be persecuted, only called out of confusion and to simply remind him of
the MMP ban.

He called back and left me an awful message, which I have saved, that
basically said I should do the whole movement a favor and leave. (For the
record, I ALWAYS worked very well with Davi and gave him pretty much free
leadership reign here at SOS as I backed off to do other projects. I
valued Davi.)

Due to Davi's actions and reactions I emailed Joe Turner, the owner of
SOS, and Jeff Schwilk. There was NO Internet lynching. It was a PRIVATE
leadership matter ONLY. Davi was not being banned from SOS, however his
actions and reactions were cause for concern and needed to be addressed.
I emailed my concerns and thoughts and Davi emailed back to us that he
demanded a jury of his peers. Jeff Schwilk emailed back that we had no
time for this and simply just needed to know if he agreed with the
coalition or not. Unfortunately Davi finally wrote back that he was not
with the coalition, Jeff, me, Joe Turner, or Save Our State. Jeff emailed
back, thank you nothing personal, we accept your resignation.
Joe and I spoke over the weekend about this matter as well. Again, this
was a PRIVATE leadership/coalition matter. There were no other SOS
members involved. Joe is the final decision maker here at SOS.
Several people over the last few days have asked Davi to just take down
his video, unfortunately he has refused. Therefore SOS regrets that at
this time since Davi would rather instigate drama and infighting, that
this breaks SOS rules.
Unfortunately I was forced to post here due to the numerous phone calls,
emails, and pms on the subject. Silence is consent and neither SOS nor
the coalition is in consent of dissension.

This will be a closed thread as we have no time to focus on drama...we
have too much to lose in America right now. We just wanted everyone to be
informed and encourage everyone to move on and focus on the real
battle...the Battle for our Republic.

Our SoCal Coalitions is very strong and let's keep it that way!

SoCal Patriot Coalition (26)

SECURE BORDERS – CONSTITUTION – RULE OF LAW
California Coalition for Immigration Reform (CCIR)
Save Our State
San Diego Minutemen
Border Patrol Auxiliary
Minuteman Corps of California
Central Coast Minutemen (MCDC)
Tecate Border Volunteers
Latino Americans for Immigration Reform (LAIR)
Stop Taxing Us
Taxpayer Revolution Committee
Stop SPP (Security & Prosperity Partnership)
FIRE Coalition
Antelope Valley Minutemen
Los Angeles Minutemen
Desert Cities Minutemen
Ted Hayes’ Group
San Diego Citizens Brigade
Oceanside Watch League (OWL)
Escondido Minuteman Brigade
San Diego Christians for Secure Borders
Carlsbad Citizens Brigade
Encinitas Citizens Brigade
You Don’t Speak for Me, San Diego (Hispanics against illegal immigration)
Gun Rights Committee, San Diego
We the People, San Diego
Jamiel’s Law

· Coalition Coordinator: Jeff Schwilk, jeffschwilk@cox.net

Davi posted the following video on the very public youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr3ApDxIGlU

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PD continues...To clarify: Both a national coalition and the Southern California
Coalition BANNED the MMP from our patriotic movement. We in both
coalitions do not view Gilchrist as a patriot but instead the opposition
for numerous reasons including suing real patriots, working with
opposition to maliciously defame the movement, and for working against
the patriot coalitions efforts of defending the USA.
The rest of the organizations in the movement are united! The SoCal

Coalition is very strong!

This thread will stayed close in order to move on from those who are
instigating drama. This was a post to simply inform the membership. None
of us at Save Our State will be paying attention to this latest, instead
we are moving on and focused on other projects which include battling
this next amnesty agenda by our elected officials

SOS California charity papers...PENDING?

2009-05-30T15:17:00.000-07:00

Here is the official State of California charity registration documents...

It is NOT current, but only PENDING !
NOT A REAL CHARITY !

Full Name: SAVE OUR STATE FEIN: 562474531
Type: Public Benefit Corporate or Organization Number: 2619161

RCT Registraton No:
Record Type: Charity Registration Type: Charity Registration
Issue Date: Expiration Date:
Registration Status: Pending Date This Status:
Date of Last Renewal:
Address Line 1: 5080 SHENANDOM ST
Phone:
Address Line 2: Address Line 3:
Address Line 4: VENTURA CA 93003

5080 Shenandoah St, Ventura, Ventura, California 93003

No MORE immigration gumballs !

2009-05-30T09:21:00.000-07:00

Watch this and learn....

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Desecrated cemetery in Southland needs your help!

2009-05-12T20:58:00.000-07:00

Desecrated cemetery in Southland needs your help!

Restore Ventura St Marys Desecrated Veterans to a Cemetery @ Yahoo! Video

Red Skeleton explains the Pledge of Allegiance

2009-05-08T11:13:00.000-07:00

Here it is.....again...again.....

Lost WW2 Marines are found and Return from Makin Island

2009-05-07T11:01:00.001-07:00

True story of the recovery of 19 US Marines Killed in Action on Makin Island in WWII and their return home to Arlington National Cemetery 58 years later.
Story: Pat Mendoza.
Music arranged by Pat Mendoza
Trumpet: Steve Wiest.
Singers: the Islanders and Pat Mendoza
For information on the one hour video contact
patmendoza.com

Jamiel Shaw's murderer arrested, not tried

2009-05-06T10:32:00.000-07:00

Over a year later, Jamiel's murderer is arrested and in custody, but the trial start has been TWICE postponned for up to 6 months...
Here is the facts:

Ron Paul Supporters: See this BANNED interview.

2009-04-21T12:28:00.000-07:00

A MUST SEE video for Ron Paul supporters, This ABC TV BANNED video with DR Ron Paul.
LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hoiancRfxc&feature=player_embedded

OR

How to Easily Hold a Community Rally

2009-04-19T09:29:00.000-07:00

We Can No Longer Stand By! How to Organize Your Own Community Rally.

“I am tea’d-off! Minutemen, it is time to call national awareness to the attempted seizure of our beloved nation by a few! When our non-representing representatives enact Bills totaling hundreds of billions of dollars, without reading them, hopelessly enslaving the taxpayers, and making it impossible for our children to inherit a debt free nation, we no longer can stand by. Billions of dollars are being poured into unlimited government speeding schemes to benefit Wall Street criminals and illegal alien interests. It is time to start with an April 15th Tea Party, after that, there will be more to come!” Jim Gilchrist, President of the Minuteman Project, Inc.

HERE IS WHAT TO DO!
1. Pick a prime location and time in your town. The best place is near a main street at an intersection with heavy traffic.

2. Tell your friends, family, co-workers and everyone else you know about the rally. Build a strong RSVP email list. Also, build a strong phone tree. Give updates and tip the closer the event comes. Create a facebook and a Tweeter group so the group can communicate with one another, exchange cell phone numbers.

3. Make numbers of signs. No smaller than a top of a cardboard file box, approximately or 18” X 24” Use only legible slogans which sends a clear message to the passersby and the public in general. Write in BIG LETTERS your slogan. Use a simple Word program on your computer to create a easy to read 8 1/2 X 11 flyer, make copies on colored paper. Appoint a spokesperson in the event the media wants an interview. Make your statements clear, short and firm.

4. Call your local talk radio hosts and ask them to announce the location, date and time on the air a few days leading up to the rally. Send a letter to the editor of your local newspaper announcing the rally. E-mail the bloggers in your area and ask them to post a notice about the rally. Handout the colored flyers to everyone at grocery stores, Churches, schools and High School athletic games.

5. Write a press release and email, mail and fax copies to the local TV stations, radio stations and newspapers. Call the reporters who cover local events, leave messages on their voice mail.

6. On the day of your rally, show up with your group, be loud, visible, happy and engage the public. Wave your signs, make lots of noise and move about to get attention. If reporters interview you, give them some good sound bytes for their stories. Stay on message and keep your answers short and coherent.

7. Bring sign-in sheets to capture the names, emails and phone numbers of everyone who attends the rally and/or says they support what you are doing. Everyone must be prepared to hand out flyers and have a short statement of who you are and what you are doing. At the end of the rally, you should have a large list of people that will help plan the next, much bigger and louder, event. If you have a mega-phone, use it!

8. Add your pictures, video and an after-action report to your facebook group, and send this stuff to the bloggers and reporters that you originally contacted. Ask them to post the photos, story and video. Everyone should bring a disposable or inexpensive camera to the event. Appoint someone to be the photographer.

9. Thank everyone who attended via email and phone, and set up a meeting to plan your next event. With your new list of people in your community, you will have a base to draw from so the work for the next rally can be shared and not fall on the shoulders of the faithful few. Encourage everyone to commit to bring at least one friend to the next rally. Show the photos you took at the last rally to your friends and have the good ones enlarged so you can use then as an inspiration of what to expect for the next rally.

10. Organize a carpool, find a friend in your neighboring town or county and help them organize a rally there. You and your people are now veterans and should be able to keep the momentum going around your area.

***Remember, obey all laws, don’t put yourself in harms way, don’t use profanity and most of all, MAKE THE RALLY AN ENJOYABLE EVENT!

Good fellow patriots and God Bless America!
Jim Gilchrist, the staff and associates of the Minuteman Project, Inc.

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds. — Samuel Adams

LA's TWO Activists meet at Van Nuys Tax Revolt

2009-04-17T16:09:00.000-07:00

TWO famous LA's Activists meet at Van Nuys Tax Revolt event.....'Zumadog' & 'Califnative'.

Gheen's ALIPAC anti-Gilchrist lies EXPOSED !

2009-04-15T11:11:00.000-07:00

From Gheen's ALIPAC blogsite:
http://www.thetruthaboutjimgilchrist.com/wp-comments-post.php
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IN the 'he has not sinned, cast the first stone' department....

Posted: Dec 17, 2007 11:42 PM

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-94112.html

PLEASE POST, FORWARD, and BROADCAST!

Signed by 79 leaders of Immigration Enforcement Groups!

In reaction to Jim Gilchrist’s (Co-Founder of Minutemen) lone endorsement of pro-amnesty Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee:
We, the undersigned, state that our organizations stand against racism and Amnesty for illegal aliens. Instead, we stand for the enforcement of our existing immigration laws, the securing of America’s borders, and attrition enforcement.
We have dedicated our efforts to fighting illegal immigration and we are compelled to warn the American public about the immigration stance and record of Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee.
We denounce Jim Gilchrist’s solo endorsement of a pro-amnesty and Open Borders candidate for President. Mr. Gilchrist does NOT speak for us!
(***READERS NOTE: This political endorsement was as AN individual, not speaking for the MMP since that org is a registered & certified charity which cannot make any political endorsements. Your name and org listing here says you are making a political endorsement AGAINST an individual's right to make a political
endorsement....Ever read the US consitution? If your org listed here is a is a registered & certified charity than YOU cannot make any political endorsements as you have here by giving your political endorsement for this ALIPAC press release. You org's political endorsement is illegal and highly unethical.)

William Gheen- A loon.
Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
http://www.alipac.us

Ron Woodard rwoodard@nclisten.com
NC Listen Border Project
www.nclisten.com

Peter Gadiel- 'DOWN for maintenance'
9/11 Families for A Secure America
www.911fsa.org/

Dan Sheehy- '404 not found'
Author of “Fighting Immigration Anarchy: American Patriots Battle to Save the Nation”
www.FightingImmigrationAnarchy.com

RUSSELL LANDRY- 'MSN groups closed'
Citizens Against Illegal Aliens
groups.msn.com/CitizensAgainstIllegalAliens/

Danny Smith info@americanfreedomriders.com
American Freedom Riders, motorcycles riders
www.americanfreedomriders.com/

Wanda Piety- 'Oops! This link appears gone.'
Save America Fund
www.saveamericafund.com

Brook Young- A Loon
Immigration Watchdog
www.immigrationwatchdog.com

Andy Ramirez andy@fobp.us
Friends of the Border Patrol
www.friendsoftheborderpatrol.com

Sandra Beene- contact email sent
Co-founder TX Minutemen
www.txminuteman.org

1. Chris Simcox- defendant, loon
Minuteman Civil Defense Corps
Co-Founder of the Minutemen
www.minutemanhq.com

2. Hal Washburn info@MinutemanHQ.com
MCDC Washington State AZ?
www.minutemanhq.com

3. Joseph L. Ray
MCDC Chapter Leader
www.minutemanhq.com

4. Michael Apple
Minutemen Civil Defense Corps.
California-North Bay Chapter
www.minutemanhq.com

5. Carl Braun
State Leader MCDC- CA

Allen Taylor- 'The website cannot display the page.'
Hoosiers for Secure Borders
www.hoosiersforsecureborders.com

Jack McDermott- 'Not in Google.'
Pennsylvanians Against Illegal Immigration

Jeff Wilson- 'This domain may be for sale by its owner!'
Report and Deport
www.reportanddeport.org

S. Byron Gassaway jetta@nym.hush.com
Rescue Without Borders-Anti-White Genocide,This site dedicated to the remembrance of the heroism and bravery of the Rhodesians, Namibians, and South Africans who were attacked by Soviet and Cuban backed terrorist guerillas for being anti-communist while they were betrayed by the West for the "crime" of being white.
www.rescuewithoutborders.org

Melissa Gardner contact email sent
Let Freedom Ring America TX
www.lframerica.com

Johnny Tex- saloon singer, johnnytex@johnnytex.com
"The Trans Texas Corridor Blues"
Johnny Tex and the Texicans
www.johnnytex.com

Gianluca Zanna- MohaveM@yahoo.com 'We are UNDER CONSTRUCTION...'
Co-Founder Mohave County Minutemen, NM
www.mohaveminutemen.com

Ruthie Hendrycks minnsir@yahoo.com
Minnesotans Seeking Immigration Reform, MINNSIR is NOT a 501(3)c
www.mnsirproject.com

Steve Hampton Admin@protectourborder.net
Protect Our Borders TX
www.protectourborder.net

Hayward Vickery Jr- contact email sent
US Border Watch TX
www.usborderwatch.com

Michael Franks- running politician
Former Texas State Republican Executive Committee Member.
Former Political Director, Texas Republican Liberty Caucus

Teela Roche scim911@yahoo.com & Mark Thies (troche@clemson.edu)
South Carolinians for Immigration Moderation

Margaretann Bianculli- 'Not on Google'
Greater Farmingville Citizens’ Association

Bill Strong- 'Oops! This link appears broken.'
CHOICE
www.choice.flashbit.us

Jon Healy- contact email sent
TechnoPatriots AZ
www.technopatriots.com

Wally McCormick
Utah Minuteman

Phyllis Sears cciiwc@mindspring.com
Citizens Council on Illegal Immigration UT
www.cciiwc.com

Barb Coe barb@ccir.net
California Coalition for Immigration Reform, Huntington Beach
www.ccir.net

Daniel Smeriglio & Andrew Woodring - 'Sorry, the site you requested has been disabled'
Voice of the people U.S.A
www.voiceofthepeopleusa.com

Bob Cox gerry.waterson@gmail.com
Patriots Border Alliance
www.patriotsborderalliance.com

Steve Salvi salvi@ojjpac.org
Ohio Jobs & Justice PAC
www.ojjpac.org

Bob Baker & Leon Donahue WFIR@comcast.net
Washingtonians For Immigration Reform
www.wfir.org

Michael A. Jackson- running politician, MJ@VoteMJ.com
Government for the People, CA Long Beach candidate 54th district
www.votemj.com

Tony Dolz- running politician, tony@dolz.com
U.S. Congressional Candidate (California 30th District, west valley to countty line)
MCDC California
www.dolz.com

Dan Amato- contact email sent
Digger's Realm
www.diggersrealm.com

Jeff Schwilk- A Loon, SDMM@cox.net
San Diego Minutemen
www.SanDiegoMinutemen.com

Joe Turner & Chelene Nightingale- Two Loons, media@saveourstate.org
Save Our State
www.saveourstate.org

Conner Collier (duplicate?)
V.P. of U.S. Border Watch TX
www.usborderwatch.com

Joe & Barb McCutchen- 'BLOGGERS'
Arkansas Freedom, anti-Huckabee
www.arkansasfreedom.com

A. B. Flanagan, III TX, spammer-commercial site
KeepItAmerican.Biz
www.keepitamerican.biz

Jan Herron- 'Columnist'
Magic City Morning Star

Robert M. Copley Sr.- 'site has NOT been updated since 06'
Colorado Minutemen
www.sovereigntycolorado.com

Burr Deitz- 3RD party, Chair@nyconstitutionparty.com
New York Constitution Party
www.nyconstitutionparty.com

Paul Streitz- 'Domaine up for sale'
CT Citizens for Immigration Control
www.ctcic.net

Janie McCormick
Constitution Coalition

Saul Lisauskas- 'Oops! This link appears broken.'
Stopp SPP & NAU
www.StopSPP.org

Frosty Wooldridge- 'ecologist/actor', Frosty Wooldridge possesses a unique view of the world, cultures and families that he obtained bicycling 100,000 miles around the globe and across six continents in the past 25 years. He has written hundreds of articles on a regular basis for 16 national and 2 international magazines.
Author & Paul Revere Riders
www.frostywooldridge.com

Kathy McKee- founder/chairman contactDirector@pan2004.com
Protect Arizona NOW
www.pan2004.com

Lupe Moreno- site email form
Latino Americans for Immigration Reform (LAIR)
www.latinoamericans.org

Ted Hayes- 'no site on google'
Los Angeles Activist
www.tedhayes.net

Nedd Kareiva- 'site last update '06'
Stop the ACLU Coalition IL
www.stoptheaclu.org

Peter B. Gemma- BLOGGER, manews@manews.org
columnist, Middle American News,
www.manews.org

Paul & Jo Separk- 'Invalid Group ID. Try a different ID.'
The MidNight Writers
http://groups.myspace.com/saynotothenau

Frank Jorge- have email
Antelope Valley Independent Minutemen
www.avimm.com

Ron Bass- info@UnitedPatriotsOfAmerica.com
United Patriots of America NJ
www.UnitedPatriotsOfAmerica.com

Michael Kelley- 'Domaine up for sale'
NC Voice
www.ncvoice.info

Duane Smith
Nevada Action Coalition Las Vegas
www.nvaction.com

Mark Edwards securedborders@aol.com
Founder of Unite to Fight 1 & 2 and Wake Up America
www.thewakeupamerica.com

Scott DiBenedetto- site email form
Pahrump Minutemen (ALIPAC)
www.pahrumpminutemen.com

Theresa Harmon- 'couldn't find site'
Tennesseans for Responsible Immigration Policies
www.TnRIP.org

Susan Smith- site comes up "Things to know when taking Propecia"
Nebraskans Advisory Group
www.nebraskansadvisorygroup.com

Jim Ludwick- site email form
Oregonians for Immigration Reform,Oregon Chartered 501(c)4 Organization
http://www.oregonir.org

Robert R. Galbreath Jr. cfacr@citizensforaconstitutionalrepublic.com
Citizens for a Constitutional Republic, PA
www.citizensforaconstitutionalrepublic.com

George Gush no_illegal_immigration@verizon.net
Boycott: State Farm Insurance
www.boycottstatefarminsurance.com

Jim Palmer- 'commercial site'
Buy Direct USA
www.buydirectusa.com

Chris Davis- site email form
America in Danger
www.americaindanger.com

Michael Williams- 'domaine up for sale'
Border Hawks
www.BorderHawks.org

Walter Adams paminutemen@msn.com
PA Minutemen State Director
www.paminutemen.com

Joseph Ureneck & Steve Kropper
Massachusetts Citizens for Immigration Reform

Mike Vanderboegh- 'antigovernment militia commander, hate group'
Alabama Minuteman Project

Dennis Murphy Director@NebraskaMinuteman.com
Nebraska Minuteman Civil Defense Corp, NE
www.nebraskaminuteman.com

Marvin Steward & Deborah Courtney- 'defendants'
Minuteman Project Inc

Michael Strauss & John Loucome- 'not listed in google'
LaPorte County Illegal Immigration Taskforce

Edward & Cynthia Kolb- 'desert environmental site' icaredesertvisions@hotmail.com
Desert Visions
www.desertvisions.us

Doug Roy Info@kfire.us
Kentuckians for Immigration Reform and Enforcement
www.kfire.us

Michelle Dallacroce site email form
Mothers Against Illegal Aliens
www.mothersagainstillegalaliens.org

Hal Netkin halnetkin@watchdogamerica.com
Watchdog America AZ
www.WatchdogAmerica.com

Col. Albert F. Rodriguez- site email form
You Don't Speak For Me
www.dontspeakforme.org
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William Gheen of ALIPAC Declares “Fatwah” Against Minuteman Project
(Comments indicate Gheen despises U.S. combat veterans)

Hate email received by Jim Gilchrist’s Minuteman Project from William Gheen of ALIPAC:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Gheen [mailto:WilliamG@alipac.us]
> To: Century21Minuteman
>

To Jim Gilchrist from William Gheen/ALIPAC:

Hey, don't forget to add me to your lawsuit asshole. You know I have been orchestrating the whole thing [destruction of you and your Minuteman Project] behind the scenes all along. Why not give credit where credit is due.

Do us all a favor and go get the help you need from a VA Hospital, and sit down and shut up before you cause even more destruction and put your insanity further on display.

William Gheen
www.alipac.us

Reply from Jim Gilchrist:

To William Gheen of ALIPAC from Jim Gilchrist:

I will reply to the excerpts of your rage posted above in two parts: your issue with wounded combat veterans, and then your issue with the lawsuit MMP lawyers have filed against some of your apparent associates.

First of all, just because someone volunteers to serve in the US Marine Corps and gets shot in battle while fighting in Vietnam does not mean that person is “insane,” as you imply in your latest hate-email to the Minuteman Project. If you have an issue with combat veterans, I suggest you bring your grievance to organizations like the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and their 20+ million members.

As an 18-year-old patriot, I chose to volunteer to fight in battle for my country. You, on the other hand, Gheen, chose to evade any military service and let others fight and die in your place. And don’t whine that you were ineligible for military service during the Mid-Eastern Wars of the past two decades.

I suppose the boldest thing you have ever done is sharpen a pencil, or change a flat tire. What will be your next bold adventure? Throwing a wheel-chair bound, legless war amputee under a bus?

You are pathetic misanthrope.

Second, the Minuteman Project is suing those involved in what appears to be a criminal attempt to seize and plunder the Minuteman Project. The law suit, in my opinion, precedes criminal indictments, if any, that could later be brought against the defendants by the Orange County (Ca.) District Attorney.

The Minuteman Project re-opened the original law suit against the defendants because of their continued attempts to put the minuteman movement into disarray, and because I personally think they are criminals.
Your admitted personal involvement in the intentional disruption of the Minuteman Project does not bode well for any expedient resolution to the illegal alien invasion crisis.

In my opinion, the apparent sinister actions of the persons being sued by MMP, and your admitted cooperation with them, have stalled the minuteman movement and fed right into the agenda of the pro-illegal alien invasion fanatics the Minuteman Project has been fighting for so many years.
Consequently, we now have a pro-illegal alien President, continued sanctuary-city status to protect illegal aliens, unsecure borders, and an amnesty proposal for the estimated 30 million illegal aliens who currently occupy US territory.

You, Mr. Gheen of ALIPAC, are as much to blame for the lack of resolution to the immigration invasion dilemma as our cavalier politicians in the US Congress.

Jim Gilchrist, President and Founder, The Minuteman Project, and a proud combat wounded Marine Corps veteran of the Vietnam War

Jim Gilchrist, BAJ, BSBA, MBA, CPA - Founder and President, The Minuteman Project, Inc.

- A multi-ethnic immigration law enforcement advocacy group.

- Operating within the law to support enforcement of the law.

- The power of change through the power of peace.

IMHO: About SOS, SDMM, ALIPAC libelous anti-MMP/Gilchrist propaganda; I have seen the proof and it should be noted Gilchrist and his MMP have tried several times to ignore, make peace with, and then tried to settle out-of-court with these rapid attackers for the united sake of accompplishing Our Mission. ALL the unethical attackers would not look past their bloated egos and drop matters for the betterment of accomplishing Our Mission, so they keep this up. It looks like to me MMP is defending itself from other .org corrupt leaders who are mindlessly protecting their personal media celebrity, their leader's ego or public leader's 'face' with their .org followers. That's very petty.

Chelene Nightinghoul is stepping down from SOS.

2009-04-14T09:56:00.000-07:00

Some news from Chelene Nightinghoul and SOS. She is dropping out of event organizing. Her SOS forum announcement:

QUOTE: For the last 3 years I have organized SoCal events - marches, protests, petition signings, etc.....The first year OldPreach still lived here and also helped organize events. And of course before OP and me, there was Joe.

Currently I am helping organize the big July 4th event (see SOS events section). In addition I am working on another project. It is time that one of you SoCal activists steps forward to organize events. Who will it be?

Please pm me, email me, or post here.

I am expecting volunteers. SOS was NOT created to be a forum organization. It was created to be an ACTIVIST organization.

I will provide assistance and support. I have learned from mistakes and experience. I promise to help you get started.

Thank you.UNQUOTE +++

Commentary:
SOS forum got 47 lookers of that thread and NO takers....make that 1/2 a taker. 'Jean from Filmore', a barking chicken single spinster lady said she would be ONLY a co-sponsor. LOL
More keyboard warriors that ONLY rant. It looks like SOS is dying on the vine. Finally and for the good due to mismangement and abuse of the patriotic members. Become Gilchrist Minutemen Project members, ASAP.

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Minutemen and Women,

It is good news that Chelene Nightinghoul is stepping down from SOS. The SOS crowd is nothing but a racist organization with a membership of mean, hate-mongering social maladroits. SOS has not conducted any rally in years, as more and more members drop out of it. Just like Jeff Schwilk’s gang (SDMM) and the ALIPAC (William Gheen) fanatics who can’t stand anyone taking the spotlight from them on the illegal alien invasion issue. I also include much of Coe’s CCIR crowd in this category.

As long as we continue to let these loons speak for the immigration reform movement it is doomed to failure. Already, the mutual acrimony and hostility created by these crazies has caused our political leaders to consider our movement to be nothing more than a few “extremist kooks” and therefore, we are not taken seriously.

Jim Gilchrist, BAJ, BSBA, MBA, CPA(ret.) - Founder and President, The Minuteman Project, Inc.

- A multi-ethnic immigration law enforcement advocacy group.

- Operating within the law to support enforcement of the law.

- The power of change through the power of peace.

MAILING ADDRESS:

MINUTEMAN PROJECT, INC.

JIM GILCHRIST, PRESIDENT

P.O. BOX 3944

LAGUNA HILLS, CA. 92654-3944
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UPDATE: SOS general membership "damage control".......From their SOS forums,

To squelch rumors by the "mole" crowd...I am NOT leaving SOS. I simply have been asked due to my work (***This SOS 'charity' does not have staff, only volunteers, it's charity work. Such charities CANNOT take political stands or make political endorsements !) with Save Our State to take on a big project. This project will not allow me the time to organize local events.
Therefore Jean and Jalira will be organizing the local events. AG will organize all the NorCal events.
Not much change...just a bigger, brighter future for our organization. Once the project is announced, it will bring more attention to SOS. PLEASE do NOT listen or read RUMORS by moles. I want to thank the SOS member who brought this latest rumor to my attention. Appreciate it!

HI Chelene Nightengoul !!!! Nice to see that you care... LMAO.

American Good Happy Music

2009-04-10T22:54:00.001-07:00

T. Lester's music is patriotic and very listenable.

You can listen to many of her songs for *FREE* at LINK:
http://www.myspace.com/trishlester

And she has a new music video on You Tube with her song, "Thank A Soldier video" LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fT6GHMiFLE

Local Activism ideas...

2009-04-02T17:41:00.000-07:00

Here is some of what I came up with:
1. Along with rodeos, I feel we should have 'secure the borders' recruitment tables at local events like town street fairs(ventura christmas, simi valley), county fairs(ventura, conejo valley), gun shows(ventura, santa barbara), rock & gem shows(Newbury Park,Port Huenemme{sp?}), antique shows(ventura, Santa Barbara), and swap meets(Ventura, Ventura junior college). Our tables should have our flyers, our signage, free give-away: like refrigerator magnets or pens, and TV monitor AV presentation of DVD or tape. Free hard candy to all visitors.

2. I feel we should have parade marching 'secure the borders' group for our recruitment at local parades like Simi Valley days(spring), Conejo Valley days(spring), Canoga Park Memorial Day, and Granada Hills Christmas. Our goup could be just a group of people wearing stoptheinvasion printed shirts, red=white=blue clothing, flags, and patriot hats. Maybe include local Revolutionary historic reenactment folks and boy or girl scouts and veterans associations.

3. I feel we should have Freeway over-pass 'secure the borders' banner events, manned and unmanned.

4. I feel we should have DLC 'secure the borders' events.

5. I feel we should seek and get Mayor Villiaragosa's public schedule, so we can be sure to speak to him about 'secure the borders' whenever he is in public befor the media.

6. I feel we should have more people questing and caring our 'secure the borders' message on their local public cable access TV shows and that people should contact their local cable systems to become 'show producers' in their local geographical home areas. It is free to do. Only takes a couple of hours in a class and costs nothing to produce a TV access show.

7. I feel we should have people attending and setting up 'secure the borders' tables at all local govt. respresentative's public Town Hall Meetings at our schools.

8. I feel we should have appropriate 'secure the borders' events outside the Reagan Library.

9. I feel we should have our people speaking about 'secure the borders' mission at the satellite Van Nuys City Hall to the downtown City Council during the scheduled month's first days.

Protest sign ideas...

2009-04-02T17:39:00.000-07:00

Illegals OUT!

Kennedy’s car has killed
MORE people than my gun.
Senator HYPOCRITE !

Land of the free
Home of the legal..
Brave (Citizens).

LAPD’s Special order 40
Kills the innocent !

The Mayor’s Special
Order 40 = dead cops

Gangs LOVE Mayor V’s
Special Order 40.

Special order 40
handcuffs the police

LA’s Sp. Order 40 helps crooks

Amnesty=problems
Amnesty=free ride
Illegals=criminals
Get in line, aliens
respect America

Post 9-11, secure borders!
Post 9-11, it’s an invasion.
DEPORT -NO AMNESTY
Citizenship, not amnesty

Â¡CorrupciÃ³n destruye Mexico! Arreglalo!
Illegal aliens: Doing crimes Americans won't do.
Legals Welcome. Illegals out!
noncitizens = Terrorists
MEXICO'S DREAM BECOMING USA’s NIGHTMARE
MI CASA, NO ES SU CASA.
NO AMNESTY
No amnesty again!
SECURE OUR BORDER
ILLEGALS must GO HOME
NO ILLEGAL’S 84 amnesty
**WELFARE FOR citizens

Save USA, No amnesty
Save USA workers, no amnesty
Citizens want NO amnesty
Nomoreinvasion.com

Legal, not illegal
Join USA, not steal

Citizens YES, NOt Aliens

Emigrate, NOT immigrate!

Alien street mobs, get more citizen crowds!

US Vets first!
No welfare to non-citizens.

(Foreign nationals)

It’s immigration Law, NOT race! Â¡Es la ley!

Enforce US border laws, NOW !

Stop border hoppers
No catch and release
More ‘return to sender’

Get citizenship, now !
citizens build the USA.

Americanization, not alienation.

vets 4 work, not 4 aliens.

FBI statistics, crimes Americans won’t do..
Illegals are -
Wanted killers %95+
Gang members %51+
Jailed gang members %33+
unlicensed drivers %92
prison inmates %25+
burglars %53

Aliens on welfare %58
Aliens in H.U.D. housing %60
Aliens on Food Stamps %43
Aliens on unemployment checks %41
Anchor baby medi-cal births %66
Alien students (1-12) %39+

* illegals Picking crops, only %2
* Aliens should NOT have jobs in manufacturing, building, retail, food, medical, transpo and other blue collar jobs.
* illegal slaves profit to employers- $2.36 Trillion
* illegal slaves cost to taxpayers- $70 Billion yr
* aliens get from US taxpayers- $11,ooo yr

Aliens take jobs from us.
Aliens take blue-collar jobs.
More ‘return to sender’ now !

Fighting Govt Benefits Fraud.

2009-04-02T17:38:00.000-07:00

Govt Benefits Fraud
A guy you know has been cashing his wife's Social Security checks for the past five years even though she died three years ago.

CONTACT:
General Accounting Office
Fraud Hotline
600 East Street, NW, Room 100Washington, DC, 20548
202- 272-5557
1-800-424-5454

HELP:
Information, investigation, and legal advice.

If you wish, your call will be kept anonymous. Here is a list of benefit programs with first hotline that handle complaints.
Food Stamps- 1-800-424-9121
Housing Subcidies (HUD)- 1-800-347-3735
Medicare & Medicaid- 1-800- 368-5779
Social Security benefits- 1-800- 368-5779
Unemployment Compensations- 1-800- 347-3756

Federal Inspector General's Whistleblower Hotlines to stop fruad, waste, or mismanagement:

US Department of Health and Human Services
OIG Hotrline, PO BOX 17303 Baltimore, MD 21203-7303
1-800- 368-5779

US Department of Housing and Urban Development
OIG, 451 7th st, SW, Wasgington, DC, 20410, 1-800- 347-3735

General Accounting Office
GAO, 600 East Street, NW, Ste. 1000, Washington, DC 202-272-5557
1-800-424-5454

General Services Administration
Hotline Officer, GSA/OIG (JI) Washington, DC 20405 202-501-1780, 1-800-424-5210

If local politicians practice Political Discrimination....

2009-04-02T17:36:00.000-07:00

Political Discrimination-
The mayor of your own town won't allow your group to peacefully demonstrate because he doesn't agree with your point of view.

CONTACT:
U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
1121 Vermont Ave, NW, Room 700, Washinton, DC 20425
202-376-8513
1-800-552-6843

HELP:
INformation, referrals, legal advice.

Says it all....

2009-04-02T17:35:00.000-07:00

My 2 cents: Since I have been a old timer SF Valley posse member; Burbank-Van Nuys-Canoga Park HOme CReepo DLC; Simi church; Hollywood street rallier for 3+ years now, I know of what I speak of.
And I have the scars and BBS bans to share for proof. When movement veterans and newbies learn of Chelene 'PatDream' Nightengale maliciousness, she still manages to spend more private time attacking certain people's good work in the movement with masses of secret emails while she eagerly promotes her own news celebrity by speaking before as many press/TV cameras as possible, even as a self-professed non-staff sos member.
This action adds up to demonstrates a unethical person's embedded personal corruption & rampant hypocrisy. Many movement veterans and newbies are turned off by this and would rather work on their own than put themselves working with such people/problems to fight for our country liberation. If you can't trust your fellow patriots on these matters, you are in more danger that dealing with several jobless DLC scum. Such club corruption only divides and weakens our work. However your mileage may vary.....

A few snappy comebacks to verbal attacks in public.

2009-04-02T17:31:00.000-07:00

Some is borrowed with permission and some is new. ADD your own. Gotta put my spin on this and provide a few snappy comebacks...

Why can't you just let them make a better life for themselves?
--Are you willing to bet your life everyone pouring over the border is 'nice'?
--Because they expect me to pay for it.
--Because they steal our social security numbers to do so

Why are you so full of hate?
--Because my identity was stolen.
--My neighborhood has turned into a third world country.
--Someone I know was killed/raped/etc by an illegal alien.
--My mayor is corrupt.
--My fellow Americans seem to have their heads up their….
--Because you people won't let me protest in peace.

Do you even have a job?
--No, I was replaced by an illegal making $2 an hour -- don't come crying to me when you're next!
--No, how would you like to employ a hardworking American for a change?
--Do you have eyes?
--Yes, and so do you - protecting our country from invaders!

Did you know this land once belonged to Mexico?
-- Yes, it was also an independent country called the Republic of California. This was also the Nation of the Tongva - the true native Americans of LA. How far back in history do you want to go?
-- Yes, and do you know how many Americans died defending this land for you sorry ass?
-- If you think Mexico is so great, why don't you move there? [an oldie but a goodie]

Why don't Minutemen go protect the Canadian border?
-- We do.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
-- Defending the Nation is the most important use of anyone's time.
++++

Don't you know this is really Mexico?
-- Oh, really? Open your wallet and give me all that foreign currency (US dollars) you are illegally carrying & working for. I'll turn it in.

Dont' you know this is still Mexican land? Los Angeles, San Diego, Santa Monica?
-- Oh, really? Then you better get out of places like Sunland, Oxnard, Reseda, Riverside, Buellton, Arleta, Burbank, Glendale, Hollywood, Tarzana, Van Nuys, Canoga Park, Bakersfield, Orange County, Ventura, Anahiem, Pasdena, Long Beach, and many many more.

Do you want a job?
-- No thanks. This is my only fun-day off from working a 6 day job.

Why aren't you working today?
-- Thanks for you concern. I am working, just doing the protesting that my fellow citizens won't do.

Why aren't you in church on Sunday?
--I'm jewish and have been to temple, thanks
--I went last night. We have Saturday evening masses now, do you know that?

Why are you hassling these nice working people?
--I wasn't hassling anyone. You got out of your car, parked it and walked over to me to ask your unfriendly statment. I was minding my own business.
--This is your lucky today! You get a Free US Govt civics lesson. What I'm doing is called exercising my USA First Amendment Rights. It new to primitive 3rd world countries, but not here. Don't you know this?

Why don't you stop filming me OR you can't film me?
--Oh PluuuuZE, NO. I can't stop myself. You're just so damned attractive.
--I can't. Filming is for your personal protection, not mine. There are criminals around.
--Yes I can. We aren't in Mexico, chum.

Can I take your picture?
-- Yes. But before that, I must warn you I charge for pictures and autographs due to my strict film union rules.
--Yes. But I have to give you a hug, first!

Why don't you go back to Europe?
--I'm not from there. I'm from Burbank.
--You go back first!
--I'm native polynesian. You leave.
--You're not the boss of me!
--I will leave, when you walk back to Siberia.
--Why? You don't look Olmec to me.
--I'll self deport after you do.

Dirty Tricks ideas.....

2009-04-02T17:28:00.000-07:00

Some new activism ideas:

1. Print out small paper minatures of the Mexican flags and go around putting them in the bottom of public urinals. Even the urinals in Home Creepo.

2. Home Creepo freely gives out small kiddies orange work aprons (like their employees wear) to parents (for their children) who attend their home improvement classes. Ask for these aprons from the Home Creepo employees and class instructors. They hold classes at all Home Creepo stores. Get some of those kid's aprons to wear them at the next street event in mocking sarcasim. Or take these Home Creepo kid's aprons and use them (as a template or pattern) to make some adult aprons out of paper or fabric and decorate them as you like with MM slogans? Wear Home Creepo orange aprons to mocking wear them at the next DLC street event in sarcasim.

3. Take Tink's skunk scent oil and mix with liquid to apply/spray INSIDE the Home Creepo day laborer centers during off hours OR on the sidewalks where aliens congregate during the daylight hours. Such scents can be bought online or through retail hunting or sporting goods shops.
Tink's LINK:
http://www.tinks69.com/products.asp?show=2

Mayor Tony's contacts & email .....

2009-04-02T17:26:00.000-07:00

This information is supposed to be public knowledge, but you try to find it..you will never find it. I finally got this information from an cable TV access show featuring one of the many deputy mayor's of LA.

Here is mayor Tony's email.....
antonio.villaraigosa@lacity.org

One of 'toilet' Tony Antonio Villaraigosa office phone nummber....
213-978-0610

Los Angeles city residents may call the city's info '311' to try and get more mayor office phone numbersbecause he has another one.

FYI- LA's Antonio Villaraigosa's deputy mayor, Larry Frank's email is...
larry.frank@lacity.org

Maybe we can now get the mayor's advance public appearance schedule (also supposedly public record by state law) and drop by to say 'hello' to him. Let's talk about our diversity. Use and enjoy!

Another "Barking Chicken" ORG. Truth Brigade.com

2009-03-31T10:27:00.000-07:00

Please be WARNED...Have nothing to do with these individuals.

Christie Janelle Czajkowski is the Owner & Administrator of Truth Brigade.com. If you spend any time listening to her and her cronies, you will discover her as another koolaide drinking, black helicopter, down the rabbit hole Alice in Wonderland and Ron Paulite 9-11 truther sick puppy.

'Crazy' Christie Janelle Czajkowski answers: "What really happened to you?"

QUOTE I have been stalked physically and electronically for over 2 years.
These claimants who file false reports about me (Jeff Schwilk, Jim Stachowiak and Celeste Diedre Bonds Cortes) have threatened to kill me, have filed false reports which led to another investigation and ultimate raid on my house after they committed a crime I refused to participate in after I exposed a sex trafficking ring run by the city

Have threatened to poison me, my children and my housemate
Have threatened to steal my children and take them across the border to sell
Have been attacked with non lethal weapons that burned me and my children
Was completely disabled
I have been shot at
I have been beat up physically
My children and I have been burned with DEW's (Directed energy weapons)

I have been set up for multiple crimes
Computer hacked and phone bugged
My house broken into multiple times, bank account defrauded more than once to the tune of 7 thousand dollars. All family heirlooms stolen from my home in the middle of the day.
Posted my personal information online and radio broadcasts repeatedly to encourage others to pay me a visit.
Have made 37 fake youtube sites impersonating or slandering me.
Have made dozens of videos making false claims
Have actually reported these fake crimes to intelligence agencies
Have had multiple sites taken down due to false reports by those trying to conceal their crimes
Have been harassed by police and other law enforcement due to these false reports
Have been pulled over and searched of all my belongings and detained for 12 hours trying to move to a safe place due to an anonymous report that I was a terrorist and carrying contraband and/or bombs

Have been investigated by multiple agencies including CPS because of these false claims
My car has been vandalized numerous times
My car was completely dismantled (totaled) in front of my house
Dead pets left on my front door
Attempted arson to my house
Have been to court (and won EVERY TIME) due to these false allegations
My domain names were hijacked and directed to other sites
I have been denied help from multiple law enforcement agencies
I have been denied restraining orders even when video evidence of me being physically beaten was presented

I was set up by falling for a story of a mother who lost her children and needed a nice place to live so she had a chance of getting them back and drove her to her anger management and personality skills and English classes who stole and highjacked everything she could get a hold of and terrorized our lives after the police had to escort her off our property for threats against myself, my children, a housemate and friend
They have attacked, threatened and slandered anyone who dares talk to me
They have called harassed and threatened congressional candidates that I have worked for or did shows with. UNQUOTE

Christie Janelle Czajkowski supports another sick puppy Chelene 'sos' Nightengale (already spoken about in this Blog). Here you see Christie on the right (holding flagpole) with brunette Chelene in the middle and fellow SOSer "kele" (left Calif for Idaho) in this picture off their political websites.

***ATTN: How demeaning of 'The Mission'..it this people who are about illegal immigration issues or three horny bimbos out to find a man, any man ??!!! I guess Paris Hilton was busy.

Ms. Czajkowski has a very LARGE internet footprint and she uses every site to beg for monetary donations for herself or her sites. HER GROUP IS NOT A GOVT RECOGNIZED or LICENSED CHARITY. It is a money making arm of her personal living expenses. Friends have told me first hand that Ms. Czajkowski has stated about the importance of her websites fighting the illegal alien threat:

QUOTE: I wish illegal immigration was the root of the problem and not the symptom...it would be a heck of a lot easier to solve it. But it is only a symptom, which I choose not to waste all my time on anymore. It's kind of like going to the doctor for a headache, then ending up months later with 10 different drugs because they have to give you more to cover up or mask the symptoms of the side effects from the first drug they gave you.
We will not get anywhere unless we recognize and pull out the root...not the symptom.

What has anyone done for illegal immigration? I know I made over 300 videos? I know I spent many months on the borders of 3 different states multiple times....not at hotels like Gilchrist, but camping in my vehicle. I know I was on the streets, protests, rallies, calling and visiting my mayor and other public elected officials, the schools, etc and got no where.....actually, I got here. A keener awareness of the real issues, not the designed wars they want us to fight in this illusion they have tried to impose upon an entire population. As long as one is fighting in the limits of the pre defined game of parasteroika, you are safe...it's when you step outside the box where you become a danger and where we have a chance at fixing things.

As long as you feed the beast, it will multiply. They want riots and race wars on the streets so they have a reason to use their fancy little space weapons, so called non lethal technologies and have a reason to call martial law.

I will not play in that pre designed game.

For the record, this forum was never set up to battle illegal immigration. I was tired of being told who I was allowed to talk to, so we made a FREE SPEECH forum where all are welcome. Where the so called left and right came together for the first time to see we are all being enslaved by the same masters... An can you believe we all found out we are all human? If you don't understand the problem and you can't communicate with others who do not feel exactly as you do, what hopes will we ever have of solving anything?

That's when I became dangerous...when I began to see that this was not the only issue and it was just a symptom of the greater picture. I'd rather go after the people controlling that situation, not the workers on the street and fight like our provocateur leaders want.

This poll and post you've created here in the breaking news seems completely inappropriate. It is not breaking news and this is not an illegal immigration forum. A simple look at the front page will show that we talk about many other things here and one listen to our shows or a peek at the calender will also prove we have better things to do than talk about illegal immigration all day. Been there, done that. It was a miserable existence.

While you are free to express your opinions here, please do not try to make this out to be something it is not. I appreciate those fighting against each and every issue, if they do it lawfully and with the right spirit and intent. My experience with several minutemen groups was negative and they all were in it together at the time. Of course that does not mean all minutemen are bad and that illegal immigration doesn't matter. It does, and I know some wonderful minutemen whom I love and respect. I appreciate they spend their time on this issue, but this is not the place. I would prefer to teach people how to protect yourself, what can you do to protect your family and loved ones...teach them something useful...how to be effective and active in their community no matter what issue they are working on.

I'm going to move this post to a more appropriate thread, "miscellaneous."UNQUOTE

There you have it folks, from the jackasses mouth, these Truth Brigade websites are not about solving the illegal alien problem. They are ALL ABOUT HER and correcting your thinking and making money for herself. What does that sound like, dictatorship, huh? Kinda boring, childish, and self-serving too !!!

When will these virial leaders understand the movement does not revolve around them. Please, get over yourself. They have proven my point that they are only interested in self-glorification and money. Self-acclaimed saviors as they are the reason groups in the MM movement are tagged as narrow-minded racists and demagogues. That is exactly what they appear to be. This issue is about the rule of law, not about white racial supremacy, or scamming the public out of their money. Deal with it.

Listen to Thomas Payne video

2009-03-25T20:44:00.000-07:00

Chris Rock's Rules of the Road video

2009-03-25T12:28:00.000-07:00

While I think Mr. Rock's ideas are good for all US citizens, he gives us a 'special' parody perspective on using the roads and dealing with the local police departments.

No police, no media.....just a riot !

2009-03-20T11:09:00.000-07:00

I can't recomend the site host,
BUT I found a good video showing what activist's like myself have enjoyed & suffered by just exercising my Freedom of Speech and Assembly on US sidewalks. A good video showing what local sidewalk protest Patriots have suffered fighting against illegal alien and their anarchists friends.
DON'T BE AFRAID...JOIN Patriots groups. PROTEST FOR YOUR RIGHTS.
Pepper Spray is your friend !!
BTW: It is legal for citizens in California to hold and use pepper spray. IT can be bought at most sporting goods stores for under $10 a can for self-defense.

Video Location: Westwood Los Angeles Ca, July 4th 1996..... no police, no media.....just a riot against good citizen flag-wavers for Prop 187.

Cut and Patse this LINK into your browser to see informative dramatic video: http://www.minutemanpirateradio.com/bonus/4Jul96ccir.wmv

MechA Goons with cameras, Don't speak to them!

2009-03-12T15:10:00.000-07:00

I have been in this pro-secure the borders or pro-LEGAL immigration matters for years now. Our side was first to use video cameras at events to broadcast on Internet video the assine insulting comments, violence, and stupidity of the other side of this topic.
Now the GOON opposition is using our video tactics and show up to events to get any video of our side to 'spin' into a smear on their You Tube sites. If you see these GOON people holding a video camera....

PASS THEM BY, Don't speak to them!

Angry beligerant Brown Beret, 'Cliff' or You Tube HUITZILOPOCHTL:
Copy & Paste into browser LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/user/HUITZILOPOCHTL

Pacifist anachist self-proclaimed nurse 'Veronica' or You Tube account holders: VONRN and boypal, CODESILAS:

Copy & Paste into browser LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WI-lEOyYPc

Brown Beret You Tube account holder: fanboy 'Art' or CODESILAS:
Copy & Paste into browser LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbKAGie7ims

Past peper-sprayed, world's shortest Brown Beret in So Cal, 'Naui'

These GOON camera hounds and posers are on camera to built up their small little egos. So be sure to watch the videos and remember their faces. DON'T SPEAK TO THEM ATEVENTS, YOU ONLY GIVE THEM MATERIAL TO SMEAR US AND OUR MISSION!

Corrupt anti-Gilchrist orgs go Ape-$hit.

2009-03-10T12:54:00.000-07:00

William Gheen's ALIPAC, C. Nightengale's SOS, jeff Schwilk's San Diego MM are trying to smear Jim Gilchrist's MinuteMen Project.

Some embarrassing hometown newspaper articles about William Gheen's weird counterproductive work fighting illegal aliens matters:
ALIPAC low rally turnout- CUT and PASTE unto your browser
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1112135.html
Federal 287 (g) program-
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/chatham/story/1390432.html
ALIPAC low rally turnout-
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1113058.html
Gheen sending hate mail-
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1146941.html
Gheen sending hate mail-
http://www.newsobserver.com/front/story/280631.html

I was recently contacted and was told this story by a disgruntled SOSer about Ms. Nightengale. "Let me say this about a female org leader who has stolen the limelight from others. She is so frightened of being upstaged that she called off a BOA rally to be held in my county, saying the national organizer wanted rallies staged in main cities, yet she aired on her on SOS that another member in another county held a successful anti-BOA rally. The true reason she did not want our rally held was due to the fact the main videographers at the time and others more active in street protest had committed to attending the rally in my county. She has claimed credit for successful rallies she never even attended saying I called so and so (always the name dropper ) to attend the rally, as if to say that was the only reason for the rallies success! I am not the only one who has valid issues with this particular female org Leader. There are many more, some intimidated by the awful attacks they have witnessed occurring towards Jim Gilchrist, afraid to speak out or so discouraged they are never heard of again. I gave this woman the benefit of a doubt and she has failed miserably. The sign of a true leader is one who can unite, all this woman has done is to divide and instill hate!"

Also, I have been sent this testimony, "After being in this movement for over 6 years now and seeing the graft that spin-off orgs from MMP have accomplished, I see small people jealous of Gilchrist. He started this movement, has consistantly lead it for years now with credibility and honor. He has been the honorable face & voice of the secure the borders mission. And with his best-selling books, Harvard legal immigration law reviews, college personal appearances, endless radio interviews, countless TV appearances has influenced millions to fight illegal aliens coming to this nation. No anti-MMP negative blog owner or forum AdM anywhere can truthfully claim that high mark of educating or excellance when working with the public mind. I have seen other smaller people try to attack, harass, libel, smear, and try to insult this brave veteran. Gilchrist acts admirably. Any shallow org staffers can slag or attack Gilchrist, their lack of credibility by doing this only shows the General Public how silly some people are and only shames all of us in the Cause."

And finally from Mr Gilchrist, "Hanging the innocent is not the pathway to truth or justice. Unethical MM Spin-off orgs with their "leaders" nonsensical tirades attempting to convince a naive audience of a couple dozen internet groupies that the world is flat and that square pegs fit into round holes compromises your credibility and integrity. We are nation of laws and those laws apply universally not only to illegal aliens but also to U.S. citizens who violate those laws.

The Minuteman Project will not associate with witch hunters, racists, law breakers, or those who make an earnest market in hanging the innocent. The support of MM spin-off negative orgs with their nonsensical tirades is neither needed nor wanted.

The Minuteman Project will continue bringing national awareness to the illegal alien invasion of the United States with or without the sinister interference of those who spend all of their time attempting to disrupt the minuteman movement. How does the deliberate and ignorant braodcasting of lies and propaganda about minutemen and women move the illegal immigration forward in a respectable manner?
Hint: It doesn't.

Jim Gilchrist, Founder and President, the Minuteman Project"

San Diego MinuteMan Leader and maybe closeted Girlyman.

2009-03-06T13:20:00.000-08:00

Look what was sent to me and I recieved.
Could this be him enjoying to wear a ladies swimsuit while being in his hottub?
Make-up and fingernail polish was added for effect. Swimsuit photo is original.