Friday, December 19, 2008

Local 'COMPLAINERS' vs MORE 'doers'

It seems that there are MANY 'complainers' about this anti-illegal alien immigration problem. You read yards of Internet forum threads and many posts with some very emotional comments.

*I know there are too many lazy people who are 'keyboard warriors' and that's all they do. I would love to proved wrong. There is always more that can be done to help and improve their towns with personal neighborhood activism. Some don't have the conviction for their valid anti-illegal alien views. They want to hide but still talk big. Hypocrisy? Such silly impotent complainers which were not really that beneficial to The Cause. Just another classic case of bragadoccio keyboard "complainers" attacking community public event "doers". Their neighborhood and community shame.

*I am tired with people erroneously 'reading between the lines', falsely implying, wrongly putting words in people's mouths. Anything else like that which is embarrassing public sloppy thinking, dishonest, unethical and sometimes unlawful malicious slander in an extreme instance. Such sloppy thinking from our side won't win this very necessary mission we bring to apathetic voter residents. If you can't speak and mean what we say, what's the point? If you don't stand something, you will fall for anything.

*I am fed-up with mindlessly complaining people too.

BUT sadly, there are a very infinitesimally small amount of 'doers' about this anti-illegal alien immigration problem. I am and identify with people who 'do' something about this problem with their own community activism.
UNTIL MORE 'COMPLAINERS' become 'DOERS', your are wasting your own time, breath and bandwidth.

Signed,
A. Doer

Wednesday, December 17, 2008

Award Winning Newsman George Putnam is remembered by His Peers and Friends.

On a lovely past Saturday, at the Jeffers home in La Canada/Flintridge a wonderful public tribute was conducted for Los Angeles’ foremost conservative commentator and Emmy winning TV news reporter & anchor, George Putnam. Special speaker comments were from:
Tom Shelley- Producer of Putnam radio shows on Cable Internet News organization
Rabbi Shiffrin- Local minister, community family activist, running for state office
Ray Briem- Putnam show host understudy, KFI Radio Talk Show host
Stan Chambers- KTTV, Channel 5, Tribune Broadcasting News Director, TV Anchor, Reporter
Steve Cooley- Retired LA District Attorney, co-author of Prop 187
Bruce Herschenson- Nixon Administration member, TV commentator, ran for state office.
Michael Horn
Rees Lloyd
Doug McIntyre- KFI Radio Talk Show host
Richard Mountjoy-
Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson- Black minister, community family activist
Jill Putnam- Daughter of George Putnam
Sonny Sardo- Local businessman and running for state office
Tony Valdez- Los Angeles, Channel 11, Fox news reporter
Chuck Wilder- Executive producer of TV Putnam shows for over 50 years

This event opened with a USA and Marine Corps flag posting ceremony led by Captain Bill Baker and executed by the Robert J. Castillo Honor Detail, Team 12 from the American Legion Riverside California. These veteran’s drill team groups are from Mr. Putnam’s local American Legion post. Then we had the flag pledge of allegiance and the singing of the National Anthem. Tom Shelley was the first podium host and Rabbi Shiffrin opened the event with a solemn prayer. The many funerary remembrance-attending speakers were slated to speak about Mr. Putnam. His peers and his family recounted his special life. Many interesting anecdotes were very appreciated by the two hundred persons attending. We heard about Putnam’s life starting in Minnesota and then how he moved to New York to further his career. Mr. Putnam was a WW2 veteran in the US Army and then became an officer in the Marines in the Pacific theater. We heard he loved to drink buttermilk and we were told about his great love of animals, especially with horses. A speaker told us about Walter Winchel, said that George had the best broadcasting voice in all of the USA. His daughter, Jill, a horsewoman from Sun Valley told of their mutual love for ranch life owning many dogs and horses. One of George’s six pet dogs named, ‘Wally George’ was the same canine that Putnam tripped over and broke his neck years back and later fully recovered. That story was recounted in detail to the listening crowd. I had heard that George Putnam had paid the real commentator Wally George’s immense cancer hospital bills towards the end of his final dying days. News reporter, Tony Valdez, told us that the old saying in LA TV news was that Jerry Dunphy READ the news, Baxter Ward INTERPRETED the news, and Putnam ACTED OUT the news! Another Los Angeles Radio and recognizable TV pioneer, Stan Chambers, attended and gave some great stories about Putnam’s successfully fighting the IRS over a legitimate tax deduction for his on air ‘uniform’, suits by Bond with their pockets sew closed. Preacher Jesse Lee Peterson told of Putnam’s solid support in civil rights and race relations during the 60’s. George being a life long member of NAACP. George’s understudy and great pal, Ray Briem, told about the early days of Los Angeles radio and TV. Doug McIntyre retold a story asking Putnam why George had so many horses. Putnam answered quickly with a smile, 'I like them. Have you ever heard of having good horse sense? I love horse sense.' Chuck Wilder, who produced ‘TALK BACK to the News’ shared some stories on how that live TV show got locally produced. (**Writer’s Note: I attended several of those live shows while a High School student.) Later in Mr. Putnam’s life, he broadcasted live from his comfortable ranch in Chico California and Tom Shelley produced those many Internet cable shows. LA city ex-district attorney, Steve Cooley, spoke on how Putnam was very supportive and active in community issues like Prop 13 and Prop 187. Putnam was instrumental in the writing, campaigning, and passage of Prop 187 IE illegal aliens NOT get issued official California driver’s licenses. Also, several activists were pointed out in the attending crowd. The event attendees acknowledged the two courageous parents of the illegal alien murdered LA sheriff deputy, David March and some state government officials. The whole event was being shot with two cameras for anyone who wishes to purchase a commemorative DVD of this fine event with historic Putnam background materials. The DVD monetary proceeds will go to Putnam’s American Legion post. Contact: George Putnam Tribute DVD, PO Box 433 Sunland, California 91041 for $25 each DVD. Finally, the Putnam memorial had an American flag folding ceremony and TAPS played by a local Eagle Scout, Robert Morgan of Riverside. The attendees were treated to a light lunch and some casual mingling. And a pre-recorded memorial DVD was playing in the Sun House with even more gracious testimonials for those who stayed for the small lunch and seeing conservative friends again. These DVD comments were from:
Mr. Raymond Herrerra- National Spokesperson of Minute Man Project
Mr. Jim Gilchrist- Founder and President of Minute Man Project
Chief Lee Baca- Head Sheriff of Los Angeles County
Mr. Terry Anderson- KFI Radio Talk Show host

I was able to mingle and speak to Jim Glichrist of the Minute Man Project and Ray Herrera. Also I caught up with some street protests co-partners named, ‘Newt’ and ‘Mrs Newt’. Some of the major topic of our conversations was the passage of Jamiel’s Law, electing Walter Moore for LA mayor, and LA city council closing down of 14 channels of citizen community public access TV. The event's two hours fled quickly and enthusiastically by all. It was a really lovely day and a pleasant memorial for LA’s best newsman and iconic conservative, George Putnam. You should have been there.

Tuesday, December 16, 2008

Jamiel's Law fails to qualify for ballot

Supporters of a proposed Los Angeles voter initiative that would allow police to arrest illegal-immigrant gang members solely for being in the country illegally failed to collect enough petition signatures to qualify the measure for the May ballot, officials said today.

Only 18,559 signed petitions were turned in – a fraction of the 73,963 required, said Jinny Pak, of the Los Angeles City Clerk’s office. Officials in the elections office didn’t even bother to sample the petitions to determine how many of the signatures were valid registered voters because so few were turned in, she said. Backers of the proposed law can continue to circulate petitions to qualify the measure for a future ballot.

The next city election is in March 2011, although the measure could be included in an earlier county election or even a special election, Pak said. The proposed law was named after 17-year-old Los Angeles High School football player Jamiel Shaw II, who was gunned down in March allegedly by a reputed gang member who was in the country illegally.

The measure would modify the Los Angeles Police Department's Special Order 40, which prohibits officers from initiating contact with individuals for the sole purpose of determining whether they are illegal immigrants.

Tuesday, December 2, 2008

The City stole their cemeteries.

FROM THE RESTORE ST MARYS WEBSITE

PART ONE: Sent MANY years ago and unresponded to-----

Re: Cemetery Memorial Park

Dear Mayor and Honorable Councilmembers:

I am the California State Coordinator for Saving Graves, an information and referral Internet website for the preservation and protection of historic cemeteries. As such, I am acutely aware of the problems that plague our many thousands of pre-and post-gold rush cemeteries. I am also aware that, of those who are responsible for damage wrought on these hallowed places, the names and capacities of public officials are ranked at the top of the list.I have been following the matter of your "Cemetery Memorial Park" since late 2002. I have been interviewed by reporters from the local area papers and the Los Angeles Times regarding the legal status of the cemetery. Since first being contacted about this issue, I have requested from various inquirers that they obtain for me the official City documents that marked the City's initial conversion of the cemetery to a park. None of these folks have been able to provide me with any valid documentation to evidence that the City of Ventura acted with proper statutory authority when it determined to convert these cemeteries to the present Cemetery Memorial Park.It is my opinion that the present Council has been led to believe that what the City did with these cemeteries beginning in the early 1960s was done legally and that, therefore, your present body bears no responsibility to correct the wrongs committed by your predecessors. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

PART TWO: I recently reviewed the Ventura County 2004-2005 Grand Jury Report findings and conclusions that resulted from the its investigation of a citizen complaint. From the information provided to the Grand Jury by the City, I am rather amazed that the present City Attorney did not detect that the City obviously failed to comply with State law when it moved to convert the cemeteries to a public park.For instance, it appears that the City claimed title to the City’s public cemetery through operation of law. Public cemeteries to which the public acquired legal title through operation of the former Political Code section 3105 (current Health and Safety Code section 8126) have always been prohibited from being used for any other purpose than as a public cemetery. There is nothing in the language of this law that would ever be legally interpreted to imply a public cemetery could also be used as a public park, memorial or otherwise. (See Attachment A for the text of these laws.)Even if the City had not acquired the public cemetery through operation of the former Political Code section 3105, but rather acquired it through purchase or otherwise, former Political Code section 3108, in effect at the same time, also contained a prohibition against the use of city public cemeteries for other than burial purposes. Section 3108 is now present Health and Safety Code section 8127 enacted in 1939. (See Attachment A for the text of these laws.)Furthermore, lands used as a cemetery is dedicated solely to cemetery purposesas long as there are human remains left buried in the ground. At one point it appears that the City did consider the removal and relocation of remains under authority of Health and Safety Code section 7600. This method of converting the cemetery to a park likely proved to be cost prohibitive, so the City did not act to do so. Because the City did not choose to avail itself of section 7600, the land that comprises the old City public cemetery may legally only be used as a public cemetery. Because it is a public cemetery there is a strict prohibition against its use for any other purpose, including as a park, memorial or otherwise.Similarly, when the City acquired the lands of St. Mary’s Cemetery, it agreed to keep the land for the purpose intended that of a cemetery. Had the City arranged to remove and relocate the graves from St. Mary’s, it would have violated the conditions of the deed with the Catholic Archdiocese. Instead, it seems, the City fathers decided to concoct this combined cemetery and park scheme so that it could both abide by the agreed upon terms imposed in the Catholic deed and get its park at the same time.

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PART THREE From the Grand Jury Report, I also note that there seems to be a question as to whether the City holds record title to portions of the Cemetery Memorial Park. More specifically, the Grand Jury was concerned the City has no title to the Protestant or Presbyterian Cemetery and the Hebrew Cemetery. The Grand Jury report identified that the City maintains it acquired ownership of these cemeteries purportedly as a result of the fact that: 1) the City Cemetery was shown on maps dated 1887 and 1889; 2) two City ordinances (one for regulating and protecting the PUBLIC cemetery and the other creating a cemetery fund); and 3) section 8126 of the Health and Safety Code.Section 8126 (and the former Political Code section 3105) applies ONLY to public cemeteries or graveyards that were or are in use by the general public. It did NOT apply to cemeteries owned by private individuals, religious organizations or fraternal or benevolent societies. Therefore, the City’s citation that it acquired title to these cemeteries through this law, is unsupported in law.The fact that the City Cemetery was shown on an 1887 and 1889 official city map has no bearing whatever on the title to these two religiously own properties. The law does not provide that the title to privately owned religious cemeteries will vest in the public if they are not shown as separate parcels from the larger City Cemetery on an official city map. Therefore, the City’s reliance on the existence of what is shown on these maps is not relevant to establishing any legal title to these two cemeteries.Lastly, the City’s contention that the two ordinances past by it somehow inured title in the public to these two cemeteries is wholly ridiculous. The City enacted Ordinance No. 41 in 1889 for the purpose of regulating and protecting the City Cemetery. Ordinance No. 86 passed by the City in 1896 merely established a cemetery fund for its use in the administration of the City Cemetery. There is no basis in law to all the City to claim that the passage of these two ordinances in some way vested title to the Protestant and Hebrew cemeteries in the public.The Grand Jury report relates that both the First Presbyterian Church and the Hebrew Cemetery Association acquired their cemeteries in 1870 and 1876, respectively, through Grant deeds. Therefore, it would be impossible for the City to claim an ownership interest in either of them through operation of section 8126 or the predecessor section 3105 because the cemeteries were religiously owned and operated cemeteries.

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PART FOUR Former Political Code section 3105, predecessor to the present section 8126, provided that the title to lands used as a public cemetery or graveyard would vest in the public through operation of this law, only if the public’s use of the public cemetery met certain prescriptive conditions. Among those conditions was that a public cemetery that was situate near to any city, town or village had to be used by the inhabitants of the city, town or village (read PUBLIC), continuously, without interruption for five or more years after January 1, 1873.The language of section 3105 was clear that it was only intended to effect a title in the public as a result of the public’s use of a public cemetery or graveyard. This law had absolutely no effect on the title to religious, fraternal association or benevolent society cemeteries. This law was strictly written to provide the public with a title to the public cemeteries that had been used, and continued to be used, by the people of the various communities of the State. [For case law decisions on the effect of these laws, see WANA THE BEAR v. COMMUNITY CONSTRUCTION, INC. (1982) and STOCKTON v. WEBER (1893). See also Attorney General Opinion #98-503, regarding Gold Rush cemeteries, dated August 1998.]California law prohibits the use of cemetery land that has been, either formally or impliedly, dedicated to cemetery purposes for any other purpose than as a cemetery. Only if all the human remains have been removed from the land and the dedication formally and lawfully removed, may the land be used for any other purpose. The City’s use of the various cemeteries mentioned in the Grand Jury Report, including the City Cemetery, for any purpose than as cemeteries was simply not authorized by law until all the remains have been removed from the land. The City’s use of them today as Cemetery Memorial Park remains an unlawful use as prohibited by law.

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PART FIVE The little information that I've located describing how the City managed to convert the cemeteries to a memorial park, points to the possible use of Health and Safety Code sections 8825 through 8829 (Pioneer Memorial Park). I have found no documentary evidence, however, that the City actually performed the statutory requirements of this law. Such non-performance constitutes non-compliance with the law. (See Attachment B for the text of the above codes.) Additionally, the Pioneer Memorial Park statutes apply ONLY to cemeteries abandoned by others and NOT to city owned public cemeteries. When the City acquired the title to the St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery prior to converting the cemetery to a park, that cemetery was not thereafter considered abandoned as defined or required by sections 8825-8829. This is because the City had assumed ownership of it and, as such, it became a publicly owned cemetery. Therefore, the conversion of St. Mary’s would also not have been authorized by law because it was a public cemetery owned by the City. Finally, if the City had complied with the legal requirements of sections 8825-8829, it would have completed the legal process by filing to quiet the title to the Protestant/Presbyterian Cemetery and Jewish Cemetery. When the Grand Jury examined this matter it evidently was not provided sufficient evidence of the City’s alleged title to these cemeteries or the report would not have questioned the validity of the City's ownership claim. A Quiet Title Decree would have given the City title to the cemeteries so the City could lawfully have fulfilled the requirements of sections 8825-8829.

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PART SIX As an aside, sections 8825 through 8829 did NOT intend that all of the gravestones, ornamentation and monuments should be removed from the cemeteries that were established as legal Pioneer Memorial Parks. It only authorized the removal of any tombstone, coping piece or monument that posed a threat to the public health, safety and welfare. Sections 8825-8829 of the Health and Safety Code was NOT intended to allow cities and counties to turn cemeteries into parks, but to aid in the preservation of old cemeteries that had deteriorated due to inattention by the once legal owners. The City’s method of acquiring the Protestant/Presbyterian Cemetery and Jewish Cemetery each constitutes an unlawful taking of property in violation of both the Federal and State Constitutions. By unlawfully taking these religiously owned cemeteries, the City also deprived these entities of their right to the free religious practice. Irrespective of the fact that either of these cemeteries may have appeared to be "left behind" by their respective owners, each organization held a validly obtained deed to their lands. Those interred within these cemeteries and their descendant families had a right to believe that these hallowed grounds would not be allowed to be unduly molested, desecrated or obliterated. In their absentee ownership, the City should have taken all due action or measures to ensure their protection. Instead, the City became the perpetrator of the ultimate crime. In short, the City stole their cemeteries.

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PART SEVEN Now the City is faced with a new development plan for the dual-use cemetery and park it unlawfully created some forty years ago. It cannot continue to ignore that there is no legal basis for the City to have converted the public cemetery to a park or to have unlawfully taken the Protestant and Hebrew cemeteries.The question now is, do you wish to continue the masquerade that was set in motion so long ago when the City acted without even a smidgen of statutory authority? Or will you choose to uphold and protect the laws of this State and take all appropriate corrective measures to halt this illegal use of the cemeteries? If I am correct in my analysis of this situation, the City had no statutory authority to convert any of these cemeteries to a park, dual-use or otherwise, in the 1960s. Because it failed to use what actual authority it could have utilized over certain portions of the property, the City is in violation of, and out of compliance with, the California Health and Safety Code pertaining to public cemeteries.If I am incorrect as to the method the City used to convert the cemeteries to the present park, please forward to me a copy of the City Council’s Resolution passed in the 1960s, that declared the abandonment of the cemeteries pursuant to sections 8825-8829 of the Health and Safety Code. If the City did pass such a Resolution, please advise if it passed individual resolutions for each of the four separate cemeteries it ultimately declared abandoned, or did one Resolution include them all?Please send me, also, a copy of the published notice that appeared in the local area newspaper for the required four weeks notice pursuant to Government Code section 6064, and a copy of the City Council minutes from the 1960s meeting of the public hearing that was held as part of the City’s Declaration of Abandonment pursuant to Health and Safety Code section 8825-8829.California Saving Graves supports the restoration of these cemeteries to their original and only lawful use. We urge you to ensure the City ceases to violate the law and that its actions reflect its intent to comply with all applicable laws pertaining to them. Most importantly, please ensure that the unlawful use of them as a public park be immediately ceased.Respectfully,

SUE SILVER, State CoordinatorCalifornia Saving Graves31955 Rocking Horse Rd.Escondido, CA 92026(760) 723-3609

Professional Affliations:

Past President, El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries CommissionTrustee, Chung Wah Chinese Cemetery, Folsom, CAAdvisor, Sacramento County Cemetery Advisory CommissionAdvisor, Senate Local Government Committee, Public Cemetery DistrictLaw Reform (2002-2003)Advisor, Commission for the Preservation of Pioneer Jewish Cemeteries andLandmarks of the West, Berkeley, CASexton (1997-2002), El Dorado Cemetery (est. 1849)Past Advisor, Amador County Cemetery Board

Monday, December 1, 2008

YOU'RE WELCOME !!




For all the free people that still public protest,


YOU'RE WELCOME,


We speak for you and you are protected by the BEST!


Our voice is strong and loud, but who will fight for YOU?


Just the ONES standing in our protest crowd.


We are your fathers, brothers, sisters, and in-laws,


wearing the boots and caring about our nation's laws.


We are the ones that leave all we own,


to make sure your future is carved in stone.


We are the ones who fight and get hurt or die,


We might not be able to save the world,


well at least WE tried.


We walked the street paths to where we are at


and we want no choice other than that.


So when you gather your group to keyboard complain,


take a look in the back of your brain.


In order for that US flag you love to fly,


Protests are done and patriots will publicly outcry.


We came here to make our own choice to fight for the ones we hold dear,


if that's not respected, we would rather stay right here.


So stop yelling and put down your silly anarchist signs,


and recognize those doing work for others behind local enemy lines.


When the conflict is over and all is well,


be thankful that we chose to go through protest's hell.






Saturday, November 22, 2008

D. Slater deceitful and NMI forum's heavily censored smear propaganda

Here is the story of one member who was smeared because they would not kiss D. Slater's ass and be a 'yes-man'.

Hello EDITED OUT,
I consider you a friend from our our common politicalviews. This might be a wasteof time to send. But, I am really hoping youwill accept this truthful email to clear up a private matter between you and I.
I have respected you. I NEVER insulted you on the NMI forums.
You were insulted by Dennis Slater, who took over my 'Seenitall' account after banning me many months ago and impersonated me ( in that account name) to insult other MMI members on the forums.
This is a true fact.
The easy test for this simple fact is to see that Dennis is the only person who gets anything out of banning me and publicly smearing me by playing my sock 'seenitall' puppet on the NMI forums today. I have never publicly insulted you. That's not my style. I get nothing out of trying to make you aware of this fact. But, I really hate to see good people manipulated by Dennis Slater.
Here is what happened to smear me personally and to deceive you into being Dennis' clueless ally: Mr. Slater has been working overtime on banning me outof NMI since I was invited (three times) to re-join NMI months ago. I finally cautiously re-joined. I was forgiving of all the spinless trash that was Dennis said towards me and my reputation and I decidedto try to continue my work fighting illegal immigrationmission on that BBS by just ignoring Slater. Now, I know that was my small judgement error. Slater is supposed to be a PATRIOT! The Slater revenge campaign has began again. **Take a search/look at the NMI forums and review the "Joke" titled thread. Dennis impersonated me to write that harsh post calling NMI member, Mark 'rewhblcain' Cain 'an idiot'. I did not write that nasty harsh response....Dennis did. I would not use those terms. (**BACKSTORY TRUTH: Many days before, I had been quietly locked out/banned from the NMI forums earlier that week without notice or reason. That night of my quiet NMI banning, I wrote a NMI Private Message to several NMI friend members (using the NMI PM service) warning them about Dennis that Dennis isreading NMI's PMs and they are not really private since I know Dennis reads those PM's and then he can take vindictive harsh actions against the NMI member/writer because of the PM content he doesn't like after reading it.) When things were right, Dennis postedthe harsh 'an idiot' response to Mark 'rewhblcain'Cain to sickly impersonate me to get people to turn against me.
**I DENY I WROTE THAT.**
Many other NMI friends that have been emailing me privately knowing I was already gone/banned from the forum many days before by Dennis's sick spineless actions. Dennis' impersonating me in that posting (that un-charactistically was not me) post was a just public excuse so Dennis could publicly bann me off the BBS/forums for this lest little slight, NOT DONE BY ME. It was a gutless's act of a coward. Slater has done/said much worse (many times against meand my friends) with no drastic forum moderating forum actions. It seems that forum moderating ethics are not present in NMI forums. Dennis S. has had total control over my "seenitall"profile since quietly banning me and you can tell it when my 'seenitall' profile wass porting it's new insulting "gay" comments and dunce-cap pics. Sam 'SZ in westLA' Z has forum posted comments pointing that out to NMI member's. Dennis is only showing others his coward revenge on me and on my good reputation. Apparently, Slater will do anything to stay on top leading his no-conscience sheep. I won't be anyones sheep...Dennis' or Govt's or illegal or democrats'....PERIOD!
There is strict censorship at NMI forums. You really can't trust anything you read on NMI. Because Slater edits/censors threads out, he lies by impersonating NMI members saying ridiculous things or he cowardly inserts/adds his own biase comments to older posts against the original author if any the post's author member seems to be getting any positive attention/approval from other general NMI members. He is so jealouse of others and doesn't work well with members.
I apologise for any typing errors, but the facts areall true.+++
Tony "NMI's seenitall"

Friday, November 21, 2008

the New Republic
Time's Up by Zvika Krieger
The Minutemen turn on each other.
Wednesday, November 19, 2008
ALISO VIEJO, CALIFORNIA--Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the Minuteman Project, lives in a one-story home in a gated community in Orange County. On a late August afternoon, the 59- year-old former accountant invited me into his backyard, which is strewn with potted plants, blue-and-white pinwheels, and a ladybug wind chime. "There are some Pakistani immigrants that live over there," he says, pointing over his fence, "and a nice Japanese family, and a Taiwanese family that lives around the corner. It's a great neighborhood."

Gilchrist, who has spent the past four years of his life trying to keep immigrants out of the country, is an unlikely booster for ethnically diverse neighborhoods. But, these days, it seems he would rather spend time in the company of immigrants than with his fellow anti-immigrant crusaders. "I get more hate mail from members of my own movement, from so-called Minutemen, than from the open-border people," he confesses. The only border that he regularly visits is the one between his own yard and his neighbors'. "I'd be wary of going down to the border myself these days," he says. "I'm worried about what [the Minutemen] would do with a sidearm."
This was supposed to have been a good year for Gilchrist and his Minutemen--not one where their guns were drawn on one another. Last November, Michael Barone predicted on RealClearPolitics that 2008 would be a "watershed" year for immigration, with candidates that take a liberal stand sure to find themselves "out on a pretty flimsy limb." Pundits labeled the presidential nominating contest the "Lou Dobbs Primary," with both CNN and NPR devoting a disproportionate amount of time to the issue in their early debates. Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter ran almost solely on the strength of their hard-line immigration stances, and even John McCain briefly flirted with "secure our border first" rhetoric.
But, after clinching the nomination, McCain became more moderate on the issue, and immigration became one of the few issues over which "obama [and] mccain [are] in agreement," as a Los Angeles Times headline declared earlier this year. The downturn in the economy further diverted voters' attention. Asked to rank the importance of immigration alongside seven other issues in a Gallup poll in June, voters ranked it dead last.
In this environment, Gilchrist's movement is falling apart, overtaken by new members whom he describes as "troublemakers with personality disorders and criminal propensities." In contrast, he insists that the group's original members were able to give voice to the immigration concerns of ordinary Americans because they demonstrated "a passionate allegiance to the United States of America and its priceless principles." There is no doubt that the Minutemen--aided by sympathizers in the media like Lou Dobbs--drove the national conversation in 2005. But whether the enormous wellspring of American anger over illegal immigration that they claim to have tapped into actually existed is another question.
Passing beneath a tulip-decorated sign that reads, "welcome friends," Gilchrist takes me into his dimly lit garage, where he has hung a collage of blurry photographs. Gilchrist spent 13 months as a Marine infantryman in Vietnam, where he received a Purple Heart. "Here we are hiking through the Laos border," he says, pointing at one of the photographs. "This guy was killed by a sniper. ... Not a day goes by that I don't think about my time there."
Gilchrist's experience in Vietnam helped him organize a small army of volunteers to fan out across the Arizona border with Mexico in search of illegal immigrants in early 2005. For his border patrol, Gilchrist rounded up six pilots, three airplanes, a fully staffed three-bed hospital, two rifle- wielding recon units of former Marines and Army Rangers ("which I handpicked"), two armed sentries, and hundreds of ground troops looking out for figures in the night.
Though the group fell far short of the "potentially several thousands" of volunteers it boasted in press releases, journalists showed up to watch in droves--there were, in fact, so many of them that, during evening patrols, Minutemen confused reporters with immigrants trying to cross the border. Dobbs hosted a number of segments with the group's leaders, and, at a rally near the border, Tancredo sung the group's praises: "You are heroes, with each one of you representing hundreds of thousands of Americans."
The press eagerly latched on to the Minutemen as representative of those hundreds of thousands of supposedly angry Americans as the battle over comprehensive immigration reform heated up on Capitol Hill. "The majority of Americans are fed up with illegal immigration and want something done about it, " declared Bill O'Reilly, who hosted Gilchrist numerous times. "Three cheers for the Minutemen!" Sean Hannity, toting night-vision cameras, went on border patrols multiple times with the Minutemen, trips he then used to scold McCain, one of the bill's primary backers. "It's a devastating problem down there," he told the senator.
Minutemen today fondly reminisce about this brief, golden period of influence. Luca Zanna, co-founder of the Mohave County Minutemen, breathlessly recounts the time he spent on the border with Gilchrist and his fellow activists. "That spontaneity, that independence--it was beautiful," he says. "When you control the show, you decide what will be on the show. We had that for a moment."
After we leave his garage, Gilchrist gives me a tour of his house. The kitchen counter is piled high with copies of his 2006 book, Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America's Borders (co-written by Jerome Corsi, author of the recent bestseller The Obama Nation). As we talk, he fidgets with his cordless phone as if awaiting an important call. But the only one that comes in during the course of our two-hour conversation is from his mechanic. "TV has dropped off, radio dropped off a bit, newspapers quite a bit," Gilchrist admits. "Nobody cares about immigration anymore."
By 2007, Congress had failed to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill, and press interest in the Minutemen began to ebb. Its 15 minutes of fame up, the group splintered as a result of ego-driven battles between Gilchrist and the group's other founder, Chris Simcox. Gilchrist is locked in a battle over control of the group stemming from allegations that he misappropriated $400,000 in donations. Simcox closed chapters and fired leaders in a half-dozen states last year after they questioned his management and financial accountability.

(**ATTN: EDITORIAL CORRECTION: Dear Readers, Clarification is necessary regarding the bogus claims that I had embezzled $400,000. This claim, as well as other similar claims, are outright lies deliberately launched over the internet and through the print media by the persons I am suing. The author of this article should have queried me for rebuttal about these false claims that keep popping up over the internet, or that are posted on unreliable propaganda sites like Wikipedia. There has never been any evidence whatsoever to support the bogus and sinister alegations of my accusers. I have had three CPA audits conducted on my organizations books; and the IRS has since granted me a 501 C 4 non-profit status. That is why I have the perpetrators in court. And they are why the minuteman movement lost its momentum. JIm Gilchrist, President and Founder, The Minuteman ProjectJim Gilchrist--Minuteman Project)

This year, there has been more evidence that, while immigration remains a legitimate issue, the supposed nationwide furor was a product of media hype. With the congressional debate over and the press increasingly ignoring the Minutemen, most Americans are professing moderate views on the issue. As of June, the percentage of Americans who want to reduce immigration levels has fallen within a percentage point of the 20-year low, while 64 percent of those polled say that immigration is a good thing for the country (the second-highest it's been since September 11). Even on Super Tuesday, the height of the presidential primary, exit polls found almost 60 percent of Republican voters favoring immigration policies that Lou Dobbs would deride as "amnesty."
Gilchrist, of course, doesn't see it this way. The original Minutemen weren't some radical fringe creating anger and fear where none existed. They represented mainstream America and the defense of the American dream. "Bring us your tired, your hungry, your poor--legally," he says, narrowing his steely blue eyes as if at imaginary illegal immigrants.
But even Gilchrist, sitting at his kitchen breakfast nook with pie-wielding Mammy salt-and-pepper shakers and a tablecloth decorated with Sambo-style figures eating watermelon, has concluded that most of the people left in the anti-immigration movement are "xenophobic, racist, schizophrenic, wackjob ne'er- do-wells." He's having a difficult time raising even half the money he raised in 2006. And his legal budget, which he was saving to fight "organizations that were violating [immigration] law," has been tied up with cases against members of his own movement, amounting to over $200,000 in legal fees. His most recent suit was against someone using the Minuteman name to release a video "encouraging people to shoot illegal aliens to death with a rifle and bury their bodies in the desert." He wears a bulletproof vest at public events to protect himself from his own onetime supporters.
Gilchrist, his face leathered from spending days under the scorching desert sun, takes a drag of a Pall Mall cigarette as he ponders the unforeseen turn his movement has taken. "Twenty, forty years from now, my name may pop up in the history books. It may say, 'He was all wrong--Loon Gilchrist, he caused this,'" Gilchrist says. "Or because of what I did, 'He preserved our strength as an economic and world power.'"
But it's more likely that Gilchrist and even his breakaway followers will end up causing nothing at all. Enrique Morones, the founder of the San Diego- based immigrant advocacy group Border Angels recently arranged a 300-person prayer vigil for supporters of immigrant rights. An urgent "call to action" by the Minutemen yielded only one counter-protester+++

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=759b5f2b-920d-4ca5-ad97-b922c60266f1&p=1

Dear Readers, It's your favorite bashing target...well, for some of you anyway. FYI: I lost the defamation cases against the MMP imposters because I was misled by an incompetent and negligent attorney, not because the facts in my cases were incorrect. That attorney has been fired and replaced. Click on the FAQ section of my website at
www.minutemanproject.com
for the specific details about the imposters I am bringing through the courts. BTW, Steve Eichler, me, and the MMP just got a judgement against Deborah Courtney last week blocking her attempt to discharge three $20 million claims we can now apparently bring against her. Case No. 8:07-bk-12720-TA Judgement against Courtney entered Nov 10, 2008 Wow. 60 million bucks we might get from her now? So, that must be where all that money went that she claims I stole from donors. :) I wonder how much of that cash her long-time friend and dirty journalist Frank Mickadeit stashed under his mattress. I can't wait. We will spend it all on lawyers suing every politician in the country who tries to pass an amnesty. Frank Mickadeit, of course, is a pro-illegal alien invasion fanatic who writes for the Orange County Register. Hopefully, in their next downsizing, they will boot him into the street with all of his criminal gang-banger illegal alien buddies. Meanwhile, click on the FAQ button on the MMP home page and read it, please. The antics of these players is hysterical. After that, let's get on with saving our country, folks. Amnesty for 30 million illegal aliens is just around the corner. Jim Gilchrist, President and Founder, the Minuteman Project, Inc. [an IRC 501 C 4 Corporation]
PS. Should I wear a Kevlar vest again at my next speech at CSULB next month?

Monday, November 17, 2008

SOS's Chelene KILLING it's .ORG

SOS is losing it's Internet visitor & member traffic. It has been going down for over a year now. The drastic drop is about 80% DOWN from heigher monthly averages two years ago.
See SOS site traffic loss!
http://www.quantcast.com/saveourstate.org/traffic

Joe Turner appointed Chelene `PatrioticDream' Nightengale to be the SOS group leader. Ms. Nightengale was now directing the SOS. She was official SOS event producer and its news media spokesperson. She has no previous professional experience in these jobs. She is a volunteer staff intern as are the rest of the SOS staff leaders. Ms. Nightengale work experience background has been alleged by an inside anti-illegal alien unnamed news sources as `beauty contest loser, failed film actress, and recent divorcee with two small children'. It is mentioned she has no solid professional newsmedia or public relations training. Appointed Mike `AZ Patriot' Williams is SOS Internet website/forum administrator and appointed Don `Old Preach' Silva is SOS Regional Director. Unnamed sources inside anti-illegal alien groups allege that Mr. Williams is anunemployed homeless (lived on SOS member's home floors) amateur Internet website manager. Unnamed news sources allege that Mr. Silva's work experience was as an employed SF Valley taxi driver with little professional not-for-profit Regional Director's work experience. Now with an attack-dogmoderating forum staff in place having such peculiar SOS forum handles as "One Inch Group', `Press One for English', `Drums for me 7', "Arizona Patriot', `Fed Up in LA', `mikein L.A.' `Old Rebel', and `Pocho Patriot'. Now with an attack-dog moderating forum staff in place, this forum would not allow thoughtful free speech to be expressed without punishing posters with permanent SOS membership banning publicly or secretly.

SOS is losing members by being AdM BANNED. Rewmember this pack of good activist folks that are now abitrarily BANNED from SOS: Sam 'SZinLA', Mac, ss187, mycountrytisofthee, michealsavage4prez, Standing Alone, Viking, BorderRaven, Boderwatch, GSBamerica, mustdeport, Sandinator, AmericanPatriot77, Small and Mighty, Foothillpages.com, LatinafortheUSA, CrazyWolf, Deportnow, American Spirit, NoMoreFreebies, Califnative, LetFreedomRing, RebelWays, sweetness and many & many others.

Here are GESTAPO-like rules of members conduct while speaking to others on their forum boards:

Sacramento's "AyatollahGondola" (The short homeless-looking guy who drives the big SOS truck sign around the town) , Posted August 21 2008, 10:41 AM (Save Our State Policies/Guidelines/Rules)

Welcome SOS members. As this group and website have grown we have felt the need to implement some rules and official policies in order to protect the best interests of the group as a whole.
Section 1: PURPOSE
A: The purpose of the Save Our State forum is to educate and inform Americans regarding the issues of Illegal immigration, Open Borders and related issues. On this forum we are here to align with one another in a supportive effort to address these issues, strategize, and organize.
A1: SOS MISSION PREVAILS
A2: Members from other groups that do not support the purpose and intent of Save Our State are welcomed for discussion's sake. However, our group's mission always supercedes all other agendas.
A3: No second agenda will be allowed to derail, disrupt, or distract from the groups mission.

Section 2: MEDIA
A: We now have a presence with the media/press. It is of great importance that our purpose not be undermined or hindered by postings that reflect negatively on the group.

Section 3: GROUP GUIDELINES/POLICIES
A: EVENTS
A1: Save Our State members organizing or attending public events shall conduct themselves within the rules and guidelines set forth in this entire document.
A2: Do not represent yourself as a spokesperson, agent, employee, manager, coordinator, chairperson, or any other official or designee of SaveOurState.org without first obtaining written permission from a SaveOurState Administrator. You may represent yourself as a member of Save Our State if you currently are one in good standing.
A3: Please do not post or organize events without first obtaining permission from a Save Our State Administrator (Joe Turner) or the Media and Events Director (Chelene Nightengale). In all cases, please follow any directives requested or issued by that entity.

B: FREE SPEECH ISSUES
B1: All posts/threads are subject to removal by moderators for any reason they deem necessary. This board is owned and operated by a private organization who reserves the right to control the content presented on this board in order to protect the private organization and individuals. B2: The general guideline we strive to follow is that the reason for removal or edit is usually provided on the offending post itself or you will receive a Private Message with an explanation.


C: PROFANITY
C1: It is bad form to use profanity when disagreeing. Members who use profanity to attack other members will be censored by having the offending post edited or removed and they may be issued a warning privately via their private message box. Overall, keep profanity to a minimum. Refer to MEDIA PRESENCE above.
D: OFF-TOPIC POSTS
D1: Stay on topic. Posts that veer off the stated topic will be redirected, edited, or deleted. Thread hijacking is rude. If you wish to change the topic of a thread then start a new one.
E: DISSENTERS OF SAVE OUR STATE
E1: Save Our State does not wish to entertain those who would provide or encourage a distraction from our agenda. If you cannot, or do not wish to participate in our agenda, it is best you refrain from joining or posting at all. Further, any noticable attempts at derailing, interfering, or disrupting the group or this forum is a violation of membership rules, and your membership may be terminated. In addition, your posts subject to being relocated or deleted at the moderator's direction.

(Hurray for BIG BROTHER Orwellian 1984 and So much for FREE SPEECH)

F: RACIAL SUPREMACISTS, WHITE POWER, BROWN BERET, KKK, RACIAL OR RELIGIOUS SEPARATISTS, ETC.
F1: Your posts are not welcomed or wanted on this board and they will be deleted without notice and your membership immediately terminated.
G: APPROPRIATE CONDUCT
G1: We are all adults on this board. We need to conduct ourselves like it. Crude, lewd, or overly aggressive conduct will not be tolerated.
G2: No personal attacks on other members. Keep your posting focused on the subject matter and material/information within each post, and not the person posting it, or any percieved motives behind them.
G3: Do not use the forums to engage in a personal war with another member.
G4: Do not post pornographic images, advertisements, or website links.
G5: No advertisements of commercial goods or services without first obtaining permission from a forum Administrator
G6: Do not use this forum to collect information from members for a commercial marketing purpose.
G7: Do not use the email or private message system, or forum to harrass, threaten, or intimidate another member.
G8: Please do not post events or material from banned posters or their groups, or links to them.
G9: Please do not register a screen name that would appear racially, sexually, or religiously offensive to other members.
G10: Avatars depicting sexual exhibition, confederate flags, religious or racial denigrations, firearms other than revolutionary war period, and racial or separatist promotions are prohibited
G11: Posts with derogatory or inflammatory comments related to religion, sexual orientation, or race will be edited or deleted as deemed appropriate by the moderators.
H: INTENTIONAL BOARD DISRUPTION
H1: Intentional board disruption by flooding of the board with constant irrelevant posts or by other means will result in membership termination as a minimum. You may also be subject to any additional legal remedies Save Our State has at its disposal.
I: RIGHT TO TERMINATE MEMBERSHIP
I1: WE: may terminate your membership if you are consistenly at odds with Save Our State policies, Save Our State leadership, or inhibit Save Our State activism or events. This termination may or may not occur with notice.
J: PATROL YOURSELF
J1: Remember you have a button on each post you make. It is marked EDIT and lets you edit your comments for a short time after the initial posting. If you find that you made a post that in retrospect you would like deleted, use the "Report Post" button, or start a thread in the SOS Members and Moderators Resolution Forum.
K: REPORT VIOLATIONS OF BOARD POLICIES OR LET US KNOW OF YOUR QUESTIONS
K1: We are here to help but we need your eyes also. If you have a comment or question related to the moderators or moderation in general please click on the REPORT button of the offending thread or send a Private Message directly to a forum Moderator or Administrator. . . Be sure to specify either your question or additional information about an offending post (such as why you are reporting it, who you are, who the offender is, etc). The REPORT button makes sure that ALL the moderators and the site owner receive a copy of your complaint.
K2: If you have an issue with a moderator, a moderators action, another poster, or any other forum or group management procedure, use the SOS MEMBERS AND MODERATORS RESOLUTION FORUM. Any threads that you start in that section can only be viewed by you, the Moderation Team, or the board Administrators. No other member can view that thread.
K3: DO NOT USE THE FORUM TO POST QUESTIONS, COMPLAINTS, OR DERISIONS TO MODERATORS. WE WILL DELETE OR EDIT SUCH POSTS as the general forum is not the appropriate venue for such actions
L: IP ADDRESSES ARE LOGGED
L1: The IP address of each poster is logged at the time a post is made. The information is permanently maintained and only used for any legal purpose that is deemed necessary (such as to identify post flooders, etc.)
M: IMAGE/VIDEO HOSTING
M1: Images are not hosted directly on our servers due to the increased cost of bandwith and storage space. You may link to images from servers that you provide. An example of some of these servers are:
http://www.photobucket.com/
http://www.theimagehosting.com/
http://www.dumpafile.com/
http://www.putfile.com/
Thank you for your time and attention in reading this long document.-The Save Our State Moderation TeamSave Our State Policies/Guidelines/Rules

**Chelene said this: **And concentrate on the following please:
E: DISSENTERS OF SAVE OUR STATE
E1: Save Our State does not wish to entertain those who would provide or encourage a distraction from our agenda. If you cannot, or do not wish to participate in our agenda, it is best you refrain from joining or posting at all. Further, any noticable attempts at derailing, interfering, or disrupting the group or this forum is a violation of membership rules, and your membership may be terminated. In addition, your posts subject to being relocated or deleted at the moderator's direction.
H: INTENTIONAL BOARD DISRUPTION
H1: Intentional board disruption by flooding of the board with constant irrelevant posts or by other means will result in membership termination as a minimum. You may also be subject to any additional legal remedies Save Our State has at its disposal.
Now to be honest I rarely read your posts (or anyone else's for that matter) due to other SOS duties, but I have noticed the Obama support and now this comment above. I want to be fair, so your explanation will be enough for me now.


Chelene 'Patriotic Dream' Nightengale forum post said:
QUOTE"(**NOTE) I think there is too much time spent on the negatives, instead of on the positives. There is too much debate happening on this forum and I am sure other forums as well. Although sometimes debate can be healthy..other times debate is a diversion and can create dissension. Let's just stay united. I see no need to keep this thread going and per request of one of thepeople in this thread will close. (**NOTE) Let's move on and stop the debates...too much work to be done than focus on one person's negative opinion here.UNQUOTE

NEXT THEN Moonbat Chelene 'Patriotic Dream' Nightengale Posts this crap.
Moonbat Chelene 'Patriotic Dream' Nightengale poster starts this SOS thread:
Bush - Satanic Cult Member? Drug Lord? http://www.saveourstate.org/vforums/showthread.php?t=43595

Chelene 'Patriotic Dream' Nightengale says: QUOTE Yes, this article is old, but I personally had never read it until today. A SOS member sent this to me. (**NOTE)I don't discount anything these days and in light of Ramos & Compean, the SPP, the illegal invasion, etc...well this might be true. Posting here and you decide.UNQUOTE

George W. Bush: Brownsville Satanic Cult Member by SHERMAN SKOLNICK http://altnews.com.au/drop/node/490

George W. Bush: Brownsville Satanic Cult Member/Drug Smuggler. The following is an item from Sunnyvale Ca. from the 2000 election.
"SUNNYVALE, CA - Telling reporters and critics to 'stick to the issues that matter', Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush declined to answer questions Monday concerning his involvement in a 1984 Brownsville, TX, mass murder, in which 17 people were ritualistically murdered and skinned....+++

Chelene 'Patriotic Dream' Nightengale says: (**NOTE)This was sent to me today: 9/11 conspiracy" Bush-NAZI Crime Family History


CHECK OUT Chelene's latest crazy video rant LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X_R8CwkyXs

CHECK OUT this special site to see all of the CRAZY stuff being done and being said at the nuthouse that is SOS at LINK:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saveoursanity2/

The hypocrisy fruitcake registered not-for-profit Save Our State club and with it's absent self appointed leader Joe Turner (four time failed election candidate), who unilaterally appointed flawty "SOS has NO staff" club and Internet forum non-elected "leaders" (imaginary SOS media advisor- frustrated EX-beauty contest loser & failed actress koolaide drinker Chelene "patriotic dream ! ! !" Nightengale and others moonbat forum lapdog cronie losers).
We want people to speak out for ethical SOS club change and defend the honorable SOS whistle-blowers that are found and routinely banned out of the forums, just for a offering a differing opinion from Chelene or forum opinion minders. Is this the USA or just another power mad group who wish to be "big Brother' of an Orwellian 1984 world?

Thursday, November 13, 2008

THREAD LOCKED AND CLOSED by SOS neurotic staffers

SOS PARANOID & FEARFUL forums LINK:
http://www.saveourstate.org/vforums/showthread.php?p=337275#post337275

Notice how the SOS staffer mind works. What have they got to hide? See how secretive, paranoid, and nervous these "patriots" get with some easy honest questions. (I will answer those questions since I was an EX-SOSer during those times asked about. MORE COMING>>>>)

Questionskdace asks: As a new member I haven't been posting but I have been "lurking".
Just curious.
Is Joe Turner still involved ? *** ANSWER: He posts once in a 'blue moon' NOT REALLYDid Joe join Fair as Western field representative ? *** ANSWER: He was, he lasted one year.
Is he still ? *** ANSWER: NO.Who are the principals of this site presently, administrators, moderators ? *** ANSWER: While I have been publicly and privately told that SOS has NO staff since they are volunteers; here is the untrained head 'haters'" Chelene 'Patriotic Dream' Nightengale; ONline staffers and forum Mods are Mike "Arizona Patriot' Williams, 'One Inch Group', `Press One forEnglish', `Drums for me 7', `Fed Up in LA', and `mikein L.A.'

Some months back some member was apparently apprehended for charges that were not clear. Who was it ? *** ANSWER: Chelene publicly posted- "Randy (was arrested.) Also, they did confirm that the search warrant was definitelyfor "domestic terrorism".What is his present disposition ? *** ANSWER: He got out of city jail and has left California for his home in North Carolina east coast. He was supposed to tell us all about his false arrest and innocence when he got out, he didn't and just ran. Anyone bringing up this matter gets SOS banned by Nightengale and crew.
There were solicitations for money to finance his legal defence. What did he do ? *** ANSWER: Chelene stated to SOS forums: "On another forum some questions were raised about attorney fees. For the record, our attorneys are not free of charge. Save Our State is sending a check to my attorney..we have a legal defense fund option for a reason. This reason is to help defend patriots like Randy Dees, John Monti, Brook Young, etc....Joe Turner is the head of the corporation and he takes all the funds for SOS and uses them for legal purposes, website fees, SOS phone bill, and other fees to run this organization. SOS really never has more than $1000 in the SOS bank account. We are not a donation driven organization and we do not charge any type of membership fee! We strictly rely on SOS supporters who send in their hard earned money! Special thanks to Ohighglass, Rim, Crusing Fool, Lonewolf, and Patriotic Army Mom among the few others who help keep SOS running! Without you we would not have this organization!! So thank you!!!We still have legal fees.." A illegal alien phone tip to police saying he was making terrorist threats to individuals or groups brought a full scale police investigation. Long Beach SWAT team broke down his door and took his computer, guns and him.How was the case disposed ? *** ANSWER: Don't know officially about parole or what, He got six months in county jail at Castaic and was let out and he ran for home on the east coast. He has dropped from sight and not posted on SOS forums publicly now. Chelene said: " Other charges were trumped up and Randy'sattorney has been able to prove his innocence and all charges but one have been dropped. There should be one more final hearing for the last charge. His bail amount has been drastically reduced of course and Randy should be out next month! He will then be able to tell his story."
Thanks for any information.
Kdace
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RIM05 responds: You make one post and want to know all our business for the last 3 years?
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Kdace responds: I didn't ask for platitudes and evasive obstructionists. Nor peripheral non- administrators. Just answer the questions. It isn't too simple !
Kdace
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Drumsme7 comments: kdace, I have some questions for you.....
Who are you? Where are you? Why would you ask all these questions in a first post without ever having introduced yourself? What is your interest in SOS? What bearing does your questions have in regard to the invasion of our country?
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Cuzzit comments: well said drumms! also...don't you research before joining a group????
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RIMO5 responds: And enough nerve to get snotty because he/she did not get a full report.
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BRI-M comments: tell us a little about yourself and join us at a rally.You will find that there are many good dedicated Americans here.
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AyatollahGondola responds: I'll forward your questions to the appropriate person(s). But in the future, the break room is not to be used for questions about the forum or organization operations. Please use the Moderators and member resolution section for that. If your email is still correct on your registration, you should hear back from someone within a week or so. please do not expect answers to every question as some may be privacy protected
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Chelene 'Patriotic Dream' Nightengale responds: Kdace, you were not only rude to one of our absolute best members, but you post once and want your questions answered. If you had been "lurking", then you would know the answers to your questions.
Your questions do not need to be answered. In fact I will have our webmaster review your account. You have now raised some questions of our own..like who are you? And what is your agenda?
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THREAD LOCKED AND CLOSED by SOS neurotic staffers

Wednesday, November 12, 2008

SOS's Turner kills 1st Amendment right and ANY opponents.

Don 'Old Preach' Silva posted+
"Makes me ill to see people like Michelle lauded as a 'leader'. Talk about airball."
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Later comments on the same SOS forum thread.
'CalifNative' posted to Joe Turner

With respect Mr Turner....
couldn't this be in a PM to me?
I guess not.
So... those who dish it out should be able to take it too.
(Contrary to your previous attack posting comments to me) I will stay On Topic:
NMI and other clubs like AVMM were at Simi (sanctuary church protest) and also made the day a success.
Why not thank and include them? It's so easy. They were there too. That is factually correct. It was a group's effort.
Allowing or commenting directly at anyone who is pointing out the (forum post comment)exclusion of them (NMI & AVMM) being listed in public posts could be seen as the first step in an attempt to incite ridiculously stupid drama on these boards between members of both organizations.
That was NOT my purpose. I include everyone who worked. That is only being fair. I am inclusive in these 'great victory for all' matters. Inclusiveness is prudent and has no agenda. Inclusiveness like this should help in inter-club rivalry and smooth feathers.
Anything else you said to me on this matter, to be also frank, is malicious speculation operating on biased wrong conclusions and could be seen as another attempt to incite ridiculously stupid drama on these boards between members of both organizations.
I won't take it that way.
I am reacting to others posting actions and giving my honest opinion. I didn't start this, please look elsewhere.
I enjoy SOS for it's hard work and it's overall stand-up integrity on dealing with confusing matters.
my best,
CN
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Posted by Joe 'Save our state' Turner response to CN comments..
CN
I am not the only one that senses a desire on your part to create friction with your posts. Others have similarly expressed their exasperation with your tone, pessimism and seeming preference to instigate or antagonize others.
Make a conscious decision to rethink your posts before you make them otherwise you will no longer be welcome here.

Monday, November 10, 2008

Thousands US Citizens KILLED by illegal aliens

US Citizens KILLED by illegal aliens, thanks to sanctuary matters.

*TEN* sniper victims- Washington DC, killed by John Lee Malvo, overstayed visa.
Adrienne Shelly- Los Angeles CA, 40 years-old, killed by Diego Pillco, 2 daughters.
Troy Payton- Las Vegas NV, ironworker stabbed by Abimael Azmitia.
Christopher Shackleford- 19, Marietta Ga, killed by a drunk driver Sergio Sanchez.
Faith Johnston- 18, raped by Columbia Priest Kelvin Iguabita,
Joseph Crummy- Lehi, Utah, murdered by Jesus Hernandez, pregnant wife & four children.
David Nadel- Berkeley, CA, killed by Juan Rivera Perez, escaped to Mexico.
Bob Clark and son Ariel- car crash, killed by a drunk driver illegal alien.
Dani Countryman- 15 year-old, murdered during rape by 2 illegal cousins
Amy Kortlang- 22 uear-old, killed in hit-and-run by previously deported 4 Prior DUIs.
Tyler Lundin, 20, Palmdale CA, killed by unlicensed driver Wilfredo Briswela,
Ariel Sollouk- Houston Tx, Isreali killed by Saudi citizen Mohammed Ali Alayed.
Kimberley Hope- Los Angeles CA, murdered during car theft by Daniel Gonzalez Berumen.
Tracy Owens- Nashville Tn, pregnant woman executed by Antonio Idelfonso & Eliseo Quintero.
Angie Leon- Nampa, Id, shot by estranged husband, three young children and her mother.
Gary Selby- NV, 18 years old, killed by a drunk driver Samuel Gallardo.
Victoria Hen- Los Angeles CA, LAX ticket agent shot by Egyptian Hesham Mohamed Hadayet.
Vinesa Hoera- 23 single mom, killed by Faustino Chavez, five-year-old son.
Michael Seitz- Napa CA, killed by fork-lift driven by Jesus Garcia, case pending.
Sister Helen Chaska- Klamath Falls OR, murdered and raped by Maximiliano Esparza. -


Deputy David March- Los Angeles CA, killed by smuggler Armando Garcia.
Brother law officers:
Brandon Winfield- Marion, Ohio, married and had two sons, ages 2 and 3.
Michael Gordon- Chicago IL, killed by drunk driver Luis Calle, wife and four children.
Will Seuis- Oakland, California, killed by driver Carlos Mares, wife & two daughters
Robert Bryant- Denver Co, stuck down by driver by Mexican with no identification.
B P Agent James Epling- died by river drowning rescuing alien, father of four.
Tony Zeppetella- Oceanside CA, killed by Adrian George Camacho, married & 6 month-old child.
Hugo Arango- Doraville Ga, murdered by Bautista Ramirez.
Kenneth Collings- Phoenix AZ, killed during robbery arrest by Ismael Conde & Rudy Romero.
Randy Burris- Clarke County Ga, stuck down by drunk driver Ricardo Gutierrez, father of 3.
Marc Atkinson- Phoenix AZ, killed by smuggler Felipe Cabanas; wife, infant & two siblings.
Robert Sitek- Phoenix AZ, shot 4 times by Francisco A. Gallardo, recoverying from injuries.
Park Ranger Kris Eggle- AZ, killed by drug smugglers.
Sheila Herring- Norfolk VA, killed by Jamaican Mario Roberto Keen, 18-year-old daughter.
Bret Clodfelter- OR, murdered by Francisco Manzo-Hernandez, wife.

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Jamiel Shaw Jr- Los Ageles CA, 17, son, killed by Pedro Espinoza
Mariana Cisneros-Nashville TN, 5 year-old, missing by mother Martha Patla & Genaro Dorantes.
Annie Cumpston- Baltimore MD, 6 year-old killed by driver Guillermo Diaz.
Dustin Inman- child, killed by driver Gonzalo Harrell-Gonzalez, remains at large.
Amber Merkle- Decatur Al, 8 years-old, died in a four-car wreck, killer Arturo Lupian.
Ana Cenna- Oakland CA, 5 year-old, killed by driver Osvaldo Urzua.
Felix Leon- Brownsville Tx, 5 year-old, hit-and-run by Carlos Jaramillo & Domingo Lopez
Callum Oakford- UK, 9 year-old, killed by driver Kamel Kadri.
Christina Long- Greenwich, CT, 13 year-old, killed during rough sex by Saul Dos Reis.
Dana Pevia- NC, 11 year-old, kidnapped by Hector Frausto held in Nexico, escaped.
Laura Ayala- Houston TX, 13 year-old, kidnapped to Mexico by Walter Alexander Sorto
Ruben Morfon- Salinas CA, 13 year-old, killed by illegal alien gangmember.
Jose Soto- Houston TX, 6 year-old, hit-and-run by Jose Ines Morales.
Joey Cornell- 15 years-old, killed by Gonzalo Villalobos, escaped to El Salvador.
Tricia Taylor- Detroit MI, 18 year-old, hit-and-run & maimed by Salvadorian Jose Carcamo. Daughter/Darlene Squires- Somerville MS, 18 year-old, raped by Salvadoran street gang. Cheryl Greene, Habor Gateway CA, 14 years-old, killed by illegal 204th gangmembers latin
Marquis Wilbert, 11 year-old, Harbor Gateway CA, killed by illegal 204th gangmembers latin
Robert Hightower, Pasadena CA, 19 years-old, killed by illegal 204th gangmembers latin
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Contreras Family=Eleodora Contrerras/Walter Contreras- 10 year-old, Morristown NJ, molested before murdered Porfirio Jimenez.

Dilk Family:Terry, Urbandale, Iowa, arrested for killings Audiel Tello & Raymundo Gomez. Lisa, Urbandale, Iowa, arrested for killings Audiel Tello & Raymundo Gomez.

Bologna Family 3 members:Tony Bologna, 48, husband, shot & killed by Edwin RamosMichael Bologna, 20 son, shot & killed by Edwin RamosMatthew Bologna, 16 so, shot & killed by Edwin Ramos

Quezada Family and cousin=Alexis Quezada, 10 years-old, killed by Policarpio Espinoza and Adan Espinoza Canela. Lucero Quezada 9 years-old, killed by Policarpio Espinoza and Adan Espinoza Canela.Ricardo Espinoza, cousin, 10 years-old, killed by Policarpio Espinoza & Adan Canela.

Marti family=father, 'Sean' 24 years old, killed by driver Edgar Hernandez daughter, 'Sage', 5 months old, killed by driver Edgar Hernandez.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html

http://www.voiac.org/victims.php

1000s of Innocent US Citizens KILLED by illegal aliens.

US Citizens KILLED by illegal aliens, thanks to sanctuary matters.

*TEN* sniper victims- Washington DC, killed by John Lee Malvo, overstayed visa.

Adrienne Shelly- Los Angeles CA, 40 years-old, killed by Diego Pillco, 2 daughters.

Troy Payton- Las Vegas NV, ironworker stabbed by Abimael Azmitia.

Christopher Shackleford- 19, Marietta Ga, killed by a drunk driver Sergio Sanchez.

Faith Johnston- 18, raped by Columbia Priest Kelvin Iguabita,

Joseph Crummy- Lehi, Utah, murdered by Jesus Hernandez, pregnant wife & four children.

David Nadel- Berkeley, CA, killed by Juan Rivera Perez, escaped to Mexico.

Bob Clark and son Ariel- car crash, killed by a drunk driver illegal alien.

Dani Countryman- 15 year-old, murdered during rape by 2 illegal cousins

Amy Kortlang- 22 uear-old, killed in hit-and-run by previously deported 4 Prior DUIs.

Tyler Lundin, 20, Palmdale CA, killed by unlicensed driver Wilfredo Briswela,

Ariel Sollouk- Houston Tx, Isreali killed by Saudi citizen Mohammed Ali Alayed.

Kimberley Hope- Los Angeles CA, murdered during car theft by Daniel Gonzalez Berumen.

Tracy Owens- Nashville Tn, pregnant woman executed by Antonio Idelfonso & Eliseo Quintero.

Angie Leon- Nampa, Id, shot by estranged husband, three young children and her mother.

Gary Selby- NV, 18 years old, killed by a drunk driver Samuel Gallardo.

Victoria Hen- Los Angeles CA, LAX ticket agent shot by Egyptian Hesham Mohamed Hadayet.

Vinesa Hoera- 23 single mom, killed by Faustino Chavez, five-year-old son.

Michael Seitz- Napa CA, killed by fork-lift driven by Jesus Garcia, case pending.

Sister Helen Chaska- Klamath Falls OR, murdered and raped by Maximiliano Esparza. -

Law Enforcement officers>>>>>>>>

**Deputy** David March- Los Angeles CA, killed by smuggler Armando Garcia.

Brandon Winfield- Marion, Ohio, married and had two sons, ages 2 and 3.

Michael Gordon- Chicago IL, killed by drunk driver Luis Calle, wife and four children.

Will Seuis- Oakland, California, killed by driver Carlos Mares, wife & two daughters.

Robert Bryant- Denver Co, stuck down by driver by Mexican with no identification.

**Border Patrol Agent** James Epling- died by river drowning rescuing alien, father of four.

Tony Zeppetella- Oceanside CA, killed by Adrian George Camacho, married & 6 month-old child.

Hugo Arango- Doraville Ga, murdered by Bautista Ramirez.

Kenneth Collings- Phoenix AZ, killed during robbery arrest by Ismael Conde & Rudy Romero.

Randy Burris- Clarke County Ga, stuck down by drunk driver Ricardo Gutierrez, father of 3.

Marc Atkinson- Phoenix AZ, killed by smuggler Felipe Cabanas; wife, infant & two siblings.

Robert Sitek- Phoenix AZ, shot 4 times by Francisco A. Gallardo, recoverying from injuries.

**Park Ranger** Kris Eggle- AZ, killed by drug smugglers.

Sheila Herring- Norfolk VA, killed by Jamaican Mario Roberto Keen, 18-year-old daughter.

Bret Clodfelter- OR, murdered by Francisco Manzo-Hernandez, wife. -

Jamiel Shaw Jr- Los Ageles CA, 17, son, killed by Pedro Espinoza.

Mariana Cisneros-Nashville TN, 5 year-old, missing by mother Martha Patla & Genaro Dorantes.

Annie Cumpston- Baltimore MD, 6 year-old killed by driver Guillermo Diaz.

Dustin Inman- child, killed by driver Gonzalo Harrell-Gonzalez, remains at large.

Amber Merkle- Decatur Al, 8 years-old, died in a four-car wreck, killer Arturo Lupian.

Ana Cenna- Oakland CA, 5 year-old, killed by driver Osvaldo Urzua.

Felix Leon- Brownsville Tx, 5 year-old, hit-and-run by Carlos Jaramillo & Domingo Lopez

Callum Oakford- UK, 9 year-old, killed by driver Kamel Kadri.

Christina Long- Greenwich, CT, 13 year-old, killed during rough sex by Saul Dos Reis.

Dana Pevia- NC, 11 year-old, kidnapped by Hector Frausto held in Nexico, escaped.

Laura Ayala- Houston TX, 13 year-old, kidnapped to Mexico by Walter Alexander Sorto.

Ruben Morfon- Salinas CA, 13 year-old, killed by illegal alien
gangmember.

Jose Soto- Houston TX, 6 year-old, hit-and-run by Jose Ines Morales.

Joey Cornell- 15 years-old, killed by Gonzalo Villalobos, escaped to El Salvador.

Tricia Taylor- Detroit MI, 18 year-old, hit-and-run & maimed by Salvadorian Jose Carcamo.

Daughter/Darlene Squires- Somerville MS, 18 year-old, raped by Salvadoran street gang.

Cheryl Greene, Habor Gateway CA, 14 years-old, killed by illegal 204th gangmembers latin.

Marquis Wilbert, 11 year-old, Harbor Gateway CA, killed by illegal 204th gangmembers latin.

Robert Hightower, Pasadena CA, 19 years-old, killed by illegal 204th gangmembers latin-

**Contreras Family=Eleodora Contrerras/Walter Contreras- 10 year-old, Morristown NJ, molested before murdered Porfirio Jimenez.

**Dilk Family:Terry, Urbandale, Iowa, arrested for killings Audiel Tello & Raymundo Gomez. Lisa, Urbandale, Iowa, arrested for killings Audiel Tello & Raymundo Gomez.

**Bologna Family 3 members:Tony Bologna, 48, husband, shot & killed by Edwin RamosMichael Bologna, 20 son, shot & killed by Edwin Ramos Matthew Bologna, 16 so, shot & killed by Edwin Ramos

**Quezada Family and cousin=Alexis Quezada, 10 years-old, killed by Policarpio Espinoza and Adan Espinoza Canela. Lucero Quezada 9 years-old, killed by Policarpio Espinoza and Adan Espinoza Canela.Ricardo Espinoza, cousin, 10 years-old, killed by Policarpio Espinoza & Adan Canela.

**Marti family=father, 'Sean' 24 years old, killed by driver Edgar Hernandez daughter, 'Sage', 5 months old, killed by driver Edgar Hernandez.

LINK:
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html

Saturday, November 8, 2008

SOS leadership Chelene 'failed' actress job?




Look what was sent to me and I recieved.
Could this be her in a tacky red wig while being 'an actress"?

Friday, November 7, 2008

Gilchrist VS Patriotic Dream & Watchdog

Even thouogh SOS's Chelene 'Patriotic Dream' Nightengale has publicly posted on the SOS forum's that Brook 'Watchdog' Young and herself have WON !! !! !! against Jim Gilchrist in his libel and slander court case against them......there is little confirmation of that from the official MMP side, as yet.
Unlike the SOS forums that are mostly password locked to only account SOS member holders, the MMP forums are open to read.
Here is what has been currently said on these matters from the 'MMP Hyjacked' topic thread:

Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:13 pm
The first has already happened; Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Project and Minuteman Project Inc were given 501c status with Jim as the sole director. The IRS investigated and audited Jim and found no wrong doing. This means that the hijacker's claim that they have (or have ever had) any right to do what they did is fraudulent. When Stewart, Courtney, Coe and Paul the retard met at the fish restaurant to declare themselves the "rightful board of MMP", they might as well have claimed Ford and GM while they were at it.
The second point might be the loss of yet another lawyer; Daniel Lula must have come to the realization that the hijackers are incompetent liars, out to steal the MMP. He knows that if he does not get away from them his reputation will be permanently stained. Without a lawyer the hijackers will automatically lose Jim and Steve Eichler's cases against them.
However, a new bit of information has come to light; it turns out that the old rumor that Stuart and Courtney are not getting along is true. Marvin Stewart has discovered that Deborah Courtney was working against him to take the MMP for herself and her idiot husband. Courtney discovered that Stewart was planning to get rid of her and put Chelene Nightingale in her place. I guess the old expression, "If they will do it with you, they will do it to you" is true.
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:18 am
Steve Eichler won his case against Chelene and Brook "Watchdork" Young today. It should all be over by X-mass.
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:46 pm
I have supported what I though was the Minuteman Project, now I find out that the guy that was to be Mr. Gilchrists replacement was really the person that was leading the attack against Mr. Gilchrist, what a mess. Now I hear that the treasurer Debbie Courtney voted Melvin Stewert out and grabbed what was left. Stewert and Debbie and her boyfriend are trying to run the show. Could someone please tell me where did Melvin run off to?
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:33 pm
The only Melvin I know of left MMP two years ago when Ed Williams resigned from the advisory board (May 2006). The last I heard he was working for Disney now. I think you are talking about Marvin Stewart. I don't know what became of him; he was forced out of the Republican Party and dismissed from his day job at the VA as a bill collector.As for Deborah Courtney, she was the reason Ed, Mel, Chris, Russ, Gene, Robert and Danni left the project. They all tried to warn Jim and Steve, but it was already too late.

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Monday, August 11, 2008

Mickadeit, Phony Orange Cty Reporter Spouts Minutemen Hate

You will enjoy this one from Jim Gilchrist about "dirty journalist" Frank Mickadeit. :) Forward at will. -

There He* Goes Again* Second-rate journalist Frank Mickadeit of the Orange County, Ca. Register

Dear American Patriots and Minutemen/women,

My Minuteman Project, Inc. has undergone a certified audit. Yet, 'dirty' journalist Frank Mickadeit continues stumbling over himself in a futile effort to find something, anything, anywhere that would put the Minuteman Project, or any immigration reform group, in a negative and false light.
Wow, so I’m the target of a stalker. I not impressed. I’ve never thought of myself as that famous and/or important. I’ve always thought of myself as just an Average Joe American, imperfect and mortal like the rest of us.

Please click on the FAQ button at www.minutemanproject.com
for details and truths about pro-illegal alien invasion journalist Frank Mickadeit and his long-time friendship with Deborah Courtney (alias Peterson, alias Peters, alias Sielski, alias who knows how many other names she uses?). Had Courtney/Peterson/Peters/Sielski revealed her covert association with Frank Mickadeit when she showed up uninvited one day to volunteer for service with the Minuteman Project, she never would have gotten within 10 miles of the Project. I have to give her credit for apparent convincing ruse and stealth, though.
There is infinite data in the FAQ section that will answer all of your questions about the charades acted out by those sorry individuals and associates of Frank Mickadeit that MMP attorneys are bringing to justice first in the civil courts, and then hopefully in the criminal courts. Apparently, Paul Sielski faces a return to prison for five years (in Maryland) without parole if he is found in violation of his current probation. Yep, he’s on probation for something I had him arrested and convicted for last year. He did about six months in the slammer. Gee, I wonder why he and Mickadeit hate me so much?

I’ve always thought that journalists and good citizens alike believed in the rule of law. After all, it is the essential framework of any civilized nation. I guess some persons make exceptions to any rule of law that interferes with their anti-law agendas. Kind of like the 21st century slave traders who continue luring illegal aliens into our country and the corrupt political governors, from local mayors to U.S. senators, who encourage such behavior.

Mickadeit follows on the heels of one Ruben Navarrette, another journalist known nationally for the bombastic lies he publishes about minutemen and minutewomen in his columns. He is the only syndicated journalist I know of who got his promotion into the national scene for being such a good liar and libeler, not for being a professional journalist. Go figure. Maybe they are a species of the illegitimate test-tube offspring of the untrustworthy crackpot Keith Olberman of MSNBC?

Minuteman Project attorneys are set to counter Mickadeit’s bogus claims in his deliberate 'hit piece' aimed directly at minutemen all across the nation, not just The Minuteman Project. It must be very frustrating for this second-rate journalist, Mickadeit, and his close friends Courtney(plus aliases) and Sielski, to keep shooting at me with no effect. Hmmm, kind of psychopathic on their part, don’t you think? Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result, yet getting the same result each time. J Their rhetorical and accusatory bullets keep ricocheting back at them. Sometimes, they make me feel ten feet tall and bullet proof. J {that’s a Travis Tritt line, folks}

Stay tuned for more of the same amateur propaganda to be written by 'dirty' journalist Frank Mickadeit of the Orange County, Ca. Register newspaper. (Boy, do those dirty journalists hate it when I say that!) But, I submit that such America(n)-haters should not blame other Americans for their failures in life. That’s like the reconquistas blaming European Americans in the USA (about 40 different nationalities) for what some Spanish conquistadores did four and five hundred years ago when they attempted to colonize what is now the United States of America.

One final word of wisdom and advice to the incompetent likes of dirty journalists Frank Mickadeit and Ruben Navarrette, and their few cultist-like friends (remember Charlie Manson?) :

To be persuasive, you must be believable. To be believable, you must be credible. And to be credible, you must be truthful. Professional canons of journalism do not allow for anything less. [Now we know why Mickadeit is still writing second-rate gobbledygook for a second-rate newspaper].

Minutemen and women, Stand your ground! United we stand. Divided by dirty journalists we fall.

I’m Jim Gilchrist, President and Founder of The Minuteman Project, Inc., and I approve (and really enjoy) this message. J
PS. Make sure to read the FAQ section of the MMP web site. And, it’s okay to call a dirty journalist a dirty journalist, just like you would call a crooked cop a dirty cop, or a corrupt politician a dirty politician or a pedophile priest a dirty priest. The political correctness embraced by Frank Mickadeit and Ruben Navarrette, and heralded in the images of Stalin and Lenin, is a thing of the past. We are now free to be Americans again.

Monday, August 4, 2008

B. Young: "Envy shoots at others and wounds himself."

FIRST, Brook Young ['The Watchdog/Lapdog"] of D. Slater (NMI) and C. Nightengale (SOS) publicly posted on SOS/NMI membership locked forums:




SOS's 'The Watchdog(lapdog)'..You mean the Ron Jeremy look-a-like (**NOTE: Brook should know about porno stars?), dressed like a Keebler Elf ? Very strange that he was there. (*NOTE: I have been there for many many weeks, where was he? Brook was there once before.) He was banned by SOS, and then banned by NMI, and now he's talking trash about both groups on Gilcrhist's MMP forum. (*NOTE: More public SLANDER on others, first.) Just go away...++++

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NMI's D. Slater posed: "What a dunce."

NMI's 'Small and Mighty(Mouthy)' posted: "some people will do anything for attention...even bad attention!"++

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'Bad attention' !!??? or Rank petty disruptive jealousy from mindless 'yes men' ?....


The photo featuring a revolutionary minuteman dressed protestor at Simi sanctuary church rally (One year anniversary date that Sunday). Resulted in him being interviewed by local press after his Ventura County Star press photo was taken:





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Let's have some fun....tongue securely placed in cheek, LOL ...


Hey, Brook...Do YOU have a sense of humor about yourself? Don't 'hate' cause you aren't a fantastic rally dresser that makes a visual point to passers by. Maybe this elf or other elves...























Friday, August 1, 2008

Wikipedia is seriously FLAWED in searching for true facts.

"Wikipedia is a wildly popular online encyclopedia that anyone can edit and in some cases, sabotage with misinformation and libelous or politically slanted content. Its co-founder, Jimmy Wales, has explicitly stated that he doesn't make any distinction between the contributions of an Ivy League professor and a bright 16-year-old, as long as the 16-year-old is doing good work. Whenever a student in the English-speaking world hears the name of an American politician for the first time, he or she is likely to run a Google search on the name. The first, second or third Internet page produced by such a search is often the Wikipedia biography about the public figure. Wikipedia is one of the most visited sites on the Internet, with over 2 million page views per day. Because Wikipedia articles are mirrored on other sites such as Answer.com, the number of daily hits on articles written by Wikipedia editors is about 2.6 million per day. [b]Editing decisions are made not by a team of experts in a given subject, but by a consensus of whoever shows up to edit the article. Many have written about the failures inherent in this system.[/b] **Knowledge vs. Agenda Some of the most pithy critiques are from Ikkyu2, a board-certified neurologist and clinical epilepsy specialist whose peer-reviewable work on Wikipedia's "Epilepsy" article kept getting messed up by others who, to put it kindly, did not share his level of expertise. [i]There have also been several publicized examples of staff members for Democrats in Congress, such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Sen. Tom Harkin, Sen. Joe Biden and Rep. Marty Meehan, "airbrushing" or spiffing up their bosses' Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia traced Capitol Hill IP addresses contributing to their site and found the source of the airbrushing, as well as vandalism of articles about Republicans including Rick Santorum and George W. Bush. Staff members of a few Republicans, including Sen. Norm Coleman, have also done some airbrushing. Accusations of libel have also peppered Wikipedia's recent history. A former staffer for Robert F. Kennedy, John Siegenthaler Sr., attacked Wikipedia in print for "false and malicious" content when he learned that for 132 days in 2005, his biography said "he was thought to have been directly involved in the Kennedy assassinations of both John and his brother Bobby." [/i]Pro golfer Fuzzy Zoeller sued a Miami firm, alleging that libelous statements about him that appeared in his Wikipedia biography were posted from a computer at that firm. The statements claimed that he had abused drugs and alcohol, and committed domestic battery. "Courts have clearly said you have to go after the source of the information," said Zoeller's attorney, Scott Sheftall. "The Zoeller family wants to take a stand to put a stop to this. Otherwise, we're all just victims of the Internet vandals out there. They ought not to be able to act with impunity." **Who's Minding the Store? Wikipedia's Site management simply doesn't have the manpower to supervise 1 million editors. But perhaps the worst failings of Wikipedia arise not from its Capitol Hill visitors, its libel-mongering vandals or its editorial policies, but from the people who have risen to positions that grant the power to interpret and enforce those policies. A scandal involving academic fraud recently brought unwanted notoriety. A 24-year-old community college dropout from Kentucky passed himself off for years as "Essjay," a lecturing professor with a doctorate in divinity, supporting his claims with quotations from "Catholicism for Dummies." This case has been presented by most of the mainstream media as if it is somehow unique. It is neither unique nor surprising, given the leadership at Wikipedia. "Essjay" was serving on the 13-member Arbitration Committee, which serves as a kind of Wikipedian Supreme Court. Its senior member, 60-year-old Fred Bauder, describes himself as a "retired lawyer" living in Colorado, but the truth is that in 1997 he was officially censured for inappropriate activities. [NOTE: Bauder was disbarred for soliciting a prostitute.] Aside from Bauder, the average age of an Arbitration Committee member is around 22. The committee, and the 1,000 or so administrators who enforce their rulings, appear to include a disproportionate number of high school and college students. [b]As a result of Wikipedia's open-door policy, hordes of political partisans have flocked to the site from such liberal Web sites as MoveOn.org and Daily Kos, and made it their "turf."[/b] **The Left Takes Over Newcomers who try to put Wikipedia's "neutral point of view" into practice on sensitive political subjects are often shouted down, or baited into committing rules infractions that lead to a lifetime ban. Wikipedia members from Democratic Underground and MoveOn.org have the power, the numbers and the seniority. They can win any argument about content, either through mob tactics or a well-placed block by a friendly administrator. The rules and policies form an online minefield, and they derive immense satisfaction from baiting newbies into that minefield. Editors are recruited from Democratic Underground. The author of the recruiting drive, Ben Burch, is the Webmaster of a site whose motto is "Fighting the Rise of the New Fascism." Articles about politically delicate subjects such as the war in Iraq, the dismissal of seven U.S. attorneys, and Republican politicians and conservative organizations have been turned into hatchet jobs. Take the case of Republican Rep. Heather Wilson of New Mexico. Several years ago her husband, Jay Hone, was accused of molesting a teenage boy. Until March 5, the accusation was blared loudly in a boldfaced headline in Rep. Wilson's Wikipedia biography: "Husband Jay Hone's hidden file on alleged sexual harassment of male minor." But the fact that Hone was thoroughly investigated and cleared of any wrongdoing didn't make it into the article at all. The biography has now been amended to remove any reference to the charge. [b]Then there's Colorado Republican Tom Tancredo. Until March 4, his Wikipedia biography strongly hinted that Tancredo's congressional office falsely reported a bomb threat during a visit to South Florida, which was scheduled to include a gathering at a local restaurant: "While it was first reported by South Florida media that the congressman had received a bomb threat, Miami Police detectives stated they were not treating it as such, and the [restaurant] denied any such report." Eventually it was revealed that the bomb threat was actually reported by the restaurant's manager, and it was removed from the article.[/b] Early in 2006, Rep. Lee Terry of Nebraska was another Republican lawmaker whose Wikipedia biography was vandalized. Terry was falsely accused of domestic violence. **The problems at Wikipedia are many-layered, and yet it thrives as the most popular reference source on the Internet. Most people accept information that is at their fingertips and don't take the time to check original sources. Thus the information superhighway offers everyone access to the same often inaccurate and biased information."

THE GREAT FAILURE OF WIKIPEDIA
http://www.cow.net/transcript.txt
Wikpedia editor says: "Library Link Isn't a Good Way Forward" http://www.theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2005/05/09/library_link_isnt_a_good_way_forward.html
Wikipedi sucks and why I left, Mike- Wiki AdM
http://windycitymike.com/2006/08/02/why-i-quit-wikipedia/
Wikipedia - bad news for knowledge?Some parts of Wikipedia are very good. Others are not. Are the bad parts acceptable for something claiming to be an online Encyclopedia?http://www.picnam.com/andrew/Wikipedia.html
Wikipedia is bad.
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/pressethic/node/658
Wikipedia does have two big problems, and attention to them is long overdue.
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/12/30/142458/25